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If we are going to shame THQ Nordic, then the most important thing that they need to be shamed on is refusing & not bothering to add Achievements to many/most of their GOG games even when those same identical games on Steam do have Achievements.

Once they have been sufficiently shamed so as they stop treating GOG customers like second-class citizens in regards to Achievements, only then does it makes sense to move on to shaming them on less-important points.
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Does anyone care about achievements?
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blotunga: Does anyone care about achievements?
I'm gonna go ahead and say yes.
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blotunga: Does anyone care about achievements?
^This x1000.
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Johnathanamz: For making the PC version of Metro Exodus to be sold on the Epic Games store instead of on gog.com, Epic Games store, and Steam.

I know you guys are letting Deep Silver and Koch Media be run independently, but doing exclusives like this is Anti-Customer.

If it's twelve months exclusive whatever, but still.

I am making this topic here because THQ Nordic reads the gog.com forums.

Not gonna post a comment on the Epic Games forums or THQ Nordic's forums, because gog.com is the place I use.

Yep it will be twelve months exclusive.

www.resetera.com/threads/metro-exodus-for-pc-is-a-timed-exclusive-for-the-epic-games-store-steam-preorders-hon oured-physical-copy-has-steam-key.96225/#post-17328886

Still a shame.
While I'm not a fan of exclusive releases in general, I have less of an issue with a time limited exclusive release. Waiting a year for a game to be released elsewhere isn't onerous. There isn't a single game that's been released in years that I've even considered buying on release day. Why would I when I know if I wait I'll be able to get it for 5 to 10 bucks in a few years? Hell, I won't buy Witcher 3 cause I know eventually I'll get a free copy here if I just wait.

I do view platform exclusive releases and DRM as being anti-consumer, but I also don't take it personally or get upset about it. I just don't buy those products. It's not like there isn't a glut of gaming content on the market already.
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firstpastthepost: While I'm not a fan of exclusive releases in general, I have less of an issue with a time limited exclusive release. Waiting a year for a game to be released elsewhere isn't onerous. There isn't a single game that's been released in years that I've even considered buying on release day. Why would I when I know if I wait I'll be able to get it for 5 to 10 bucks in a few years? Hell, I won't buy Witcher 3 cause I know eventually I'll get a free copy here if I just wait.

I do view platform exclusive releases and DRM as being anti-consumer, but I also don't take it personally or get upset about it. I just don't buy those products. It's not like there isn't a glut of gaming content on the market already.
Come on, don't be such a cheapo. The Witcher 3 is worth at least at 75%off if you can't afford full price. And I don't think they'll give it away for free that soon. They can give away stuff like the Adventure Game and Thronebreaker before giving away their crown jewel.
Not meaning to defend them or anything just to quote their statement regarding this matter:

"The decision to publish Metro Exodus as a timed Epic Store exclusive was made entirely on Koch Media’s side as Metro is their intellectual property. They are a sister company of THQ Nordic (Vienna), which is the reason why we can and will not comment on this matter. We do not want to categorically exclude the possibility of timed exclusives for any of our games in the future, but speaking in the here and now, we definitely want to have the players choose the platform of their liking and make our portfolio available to as many outlets as possible."

Also i agree with some of you about achievements.
If THQ will make Metro Exodus a one year exclusive it only means I will completely ignore it for one year. (Even less concerned about this because FPSs aren't a big hit with me, but still).

It's been obvious to me for a long time that I'm not the customer the gaming industry focus in, i.e. the moron who preorders everything, pays outrageous prices on release day and then some more with every DLC. I am already conscious that to fight the fleecing I'll have to wait years to grab the games I am interested in. One year more doesn't matter, I have quite the backlog to attack in the meantime.

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PainOfSalvation: Also i agree with some of you about achievements.
Given that it's a controversial topic the fact you agree with "some of you" means nothing because you didn't specify who it was. It could mean either side.


Myself, I don't care about achievements (Edit from here on) most of the time. I had some fun with achievement hunting in a game a while ago, (can't remember which one,) but basically there were multiple paths to progress in the game so if you completed one path you'd get an achievement. It encouraged multiple playthroughs to get them all. But I really don't get the appeal of achievements in most games that have them. They're usually, quite frankly, very stupid goals.
Post edited January 30, 2019 by joppo
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Johnathanamz: Not gonna post a comment on the Epic Games forums or THQ Nordic's forums, because gog.com is the place I use.
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paladin181: Epic Games store doesn't have a forum.
I said the Epic Games forums, not the Epic Games store forums.

Epic Games has their own company forums website named epicgames.com.
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Johnathanamz: For making the PC version of Metro Exodus to be sold on the Epic Games store instead of on gog.com, Epic Games store, and Steam.

I know you guys are letting Deep Silver and Koch Media be run independently, but doing exclusives like this is Anti-Customer.

If it's twelve months exclusive whatever, but still.

I am making this topic here because THQ Nordic reads the gog.com forums.

Not gonna post a comment on the Epic Games forums or THQ Nordic's forums, because gog.com is the place I use.

Yep it will be twelve months exclusive.

www.resetera.com/threads/metro-exodus-for-pc-is-a-timed-exclusive-for-the-epic-games-store-steam-preorders-hon oured-physical-copy-has-steam-key.96225/#post-17328886

Still a shame.
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firstpastthepost: While I'm not a fan of exclusive releases in general, I have less of an issue with a time limited exclusive release. Waiting a year for a game to be released elsewhere isn't onerous. There isn't a single game that's been released in years that I've even considered buying on release day. Why would I when I know if I wait I'll be able to get it for 5 to 10 bucks in a few years? Hell, I won't buy Witcher 3 cause I know eventually I'll get a free copy here if I just wait.

I do view platform exclusive releases and DRM as being anti-consumer, but I also don't take it personally or get upset about it. I just don't buy those products. It's not like there isn't a glut of gaming content on the market already.
Ok here are petitions for PC versions of video games being elusively sold on other digital distribution retailer stores that are not being sold on gog.com or Steam and probably never will if we do not do anything.

Here they are.

This petition is for SONY's video games.

www.change.org/p/sony-sony-release-all-your-games-on-pc-exclusives-hurt-all

This petition is for Activision and Blizzard Entertainments video games.

www.change.org/p/activision-publishing-inc-activision-release-the-pc-versions-of-destiny-2-and-call-of-duty-bl ack-ops-iiii-on-steam

This petition is for ZeniMax Media Inc. and Bethesda Softworks video games.

www.change.org/p/zenimaxmedia-inc-bethesda-softworks-llc-bethesda-softworks-llc-stop-releasing-pc-games-exclus ive-to-bethesda-net

There are some people who will laugh at you saying petitions do not work, but quite a few petitions have worked for us PC gamers.
Post edited January 29, 2019 by Johnathanamz
The decision isn't THQ Nordic's, but entirely Deep Silver's.

https://twitter.com/THQNordic/status/1090217923434737664



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Johnathanamz: There are some people who will laugh at you saying petitions do not work, but quite a few petitions have worked for us PC gamers.
Since when?
Post edited January 29, 2019 by Plokite_Wolf
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Plokite_Wolf: The decision isn't THQ Nordic's, but entirely Deep Silver's.

https://twitter.com/THQNordic/status/1090217923434737664

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Johnathanamz: There are some people who will laugh at you saying petitions do not work, but quite a few petitions have worked for us PC gamers.
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Plokite_Wolf: Since when?
Did you read what I wrote? THQ Nordic purchased Koch Media which owns Deep Silver, so THQ Nordic owns both of them.

THQ Nordic is letting Koch Media and Deep Silver run independently, but THQ Nordic can still have a say to tell them what to do since they purchased them and OWN them.

Also the petition to get Dark Souls ported and released for sale for PC back in 2012, which got like was it one million votes? That was one petition that worked.

The other one was something with MicroSoft and the Xbox One and something about a video game that was another two petitions that worked.
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PainOfSalvation: Also i agree with some of you about achievements.
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joppo: Given that it's a controversial topic the fact you agree with "some of you" means nothing because you didn't specify who it was. It could mean either side.
Sorry, what i meant is i agree with those who complained about the lack of achievements.
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DavidOrion93: I hope those publishers or devs realize those exclusivity short term cash gains can potentially damage their brand names versus their long term outlooks.
It doesn't and they know it.
Look what happened: The news came out and tons of people bought the game on the last day at Steam to "show them", when really, all those morons just threw their money at THQ whose CEO and other higher ups sat their loving while watching their bank account grow.

And as we learned from the not so distant past, gamers are morons who might rage for 5 minutes but then immediately forget all about it and turn back into the retarded sheeple who happily eat all shit they get served.
The same happened way back when Ubisoft started their retarded "always online and if your connection gets disabled, the game terminates itself" bullshit. People raged but i think i was one of only a handful who actually boycotted that company.

Or remember the shitstorm when Bethesda tried to monetize mods for Skyrim. So many people said "I will never buy another game from them", thousands raged and what happened? Fallout 4 became a huge success and when Bethesda pulled the same "paid mods" shit, nobody cared anymore. There was no real outrage but sure enough on the Steamforum you see a lot of those "i will never buy another game" people owning the game.

Same will happen in this case. People already threw their money at them, the others will wait until the game gets released on Steam and buy it then and it won't affect any other THQ Nordic product because people will forgive and forget (especially since "it's not the fault of the poor developers and they and their families starve to death if we don't buy their games" is a popular thing nowadays)
Ha, what a mess.
Plenty of games out there to enjoy.
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Johnathanamz: Also the petition to get Dark Souls ported and released for sale for PC back in 2012, which got like was it one million votes? That was one petition that worked.
That's because there is one million potential sales of a game that costs £40.

There's no reason for THQ/Deep Silver to abandon Epic timed exclusivity through petitioning because the Store Tax with Epic is less than Steam's, meaning initial earnings will be greater for those involved. Epic Store already has a large base with Fornite meaning a good install base, and those who want Metro Exodus and are indifferent to stores will simply flock to Epic.

When it is then released on Steam, most of the initial sales will have been covered, which leaves the remaining earnings in Steam sales and the odd purchase. Meaning Steam is now getting the back end of Digital Distribution earnings.