Unity free is the same as unity pro right now (it was different for version 4 and below). The only real difference is that with the free version you cannot delete the unity logo on startup, the black theme is only for the pro version and there are less cloud based tools, but the engine is the same with the same performance.
Also the pro version is now divided in 3, plus pro and enterprise, and you are forced to use plus if you gain more than 100k dollars each year, pro if you gain more than 200k.
Right now the real difference is the developer experience (so it's not a limitation with the engine but the ability to use it and of course small teams with small budget cannot use it well like big teams). Unity and Unreal are both great engine, I think the main difference is the documentations that is great for unity and not so great for unreal.

As much as I'd like to pre-order this, I just can't and I'd highly suggest that you don't either.

As much as my nostalgia is kicking in for this remaster/remake there have been too many games in recent times that have over promised and under delivered. Our money isn't respected anymore so start voting with your wallets folks

The only way games start getting better is if pre-orders aren't placed and developers/publishers are made to actually work for our purchase by delivering on their promises.

Call me bitter but that blame is better placed on the likes of CP2077

This is part of what I was talking about, actually.

(btw thanks for the updated info on unity)

From the other thread's discussion, a reply to Judicat0r: This is one of the reasons why I simply cannot justify 45 bucks for this game...even being a big fan and all....to me the higher price seems like a cash grab.

And yes, SS2 remake comes with it, but:

1. The price will still likely be 45 bucks AFTER the preorder period....they'll not likely drop it afterwards.

and

2. One can already get a very decent version of the game with all the free community content....especially now that newdark is a thing Yeah, and I wonder if they'll "borrow content" from the modding community to make it.

(the SS1 enhanced edition is very similar to SS portable, for example...makes me wonder if that team "borrowed content" for that one, as well)

High on the top sellers. People never learn!
Never, ever preorder digital. NEVER. The various Anthems, Fallouts, Cyberpunks haven't been enough yet?
Don't get me wrong, I hope System Shock remake turns out to be awesome and breaks revenue records, but only *after* it is released.

It's likely due in part to the modern era and many (including me sometimes) being so used to instant gratification.....I mean what difference is there(besides the "free game" as a bonus) if one preorders or orders a game a few weeks after it comes out? :\

I 100% agree.
I just love this demo and I think I will buy it a few days after release, but I will never preorder anything.

vaporware, but i wouldn't expect anything good from $ dive

release date moved from 31 august 2021 to 31 december 2021 to 31 december 2022

don't preorder

The worst part about preording this is that there is no guarentee you'll ever actually get a product. the release dates being random.

*looks at date*

Oh for the love of.....I mean c'mon, how long does it take to remake this game? (iirc) there were 'teams' of like 1-2 people making fan ports/etc of this game long ago & they were seeing faster turn around times than this(well before they got shut down).

Yeah, I still kinda want this game at some point, but i'm glad I didn't pre-order back in early 2021.

(speaking of $, I wonder what ND is doing with all the pre-order cash they raked in?)

Given all the nonsensical bugs and crashes I've experienced in previous games from ND, I'm not surprised they've taken so long with this one, they are not good coders.

I'm at the stage where I'd actually be happier for an unofficial port of SS1 into the Dark Engine (used by System Shock 2). See what the modding community did for Thief 1-2 with NewDark + HD texture packs.

This 7 years in the making game is definitely turning out to be one of those situations where the modding community could have done a better job 10-15 years ago if they were given the rights. As a reality check, 5 year in the making timelines is Epic AAA territory like Dragon Age Origins, Deus Ex, etc, and they needed everything written from scratch. Literally all they have to do here is take a pre-existing game, plot, script, voice acting, level design, enemy design, concept art, etc, and put it in Unreal / Unity, with new textures and better controls, and they're still struggling...

If they're thinking of aiming for a premium £30-£50 game for a glorified texture pack, forget it. I won't be paying that for a bit of polish vs the SS:EE they already released once in 2015. On the other hand if they just want a better "remaster" than the 2015 version, it doesn't need that much over-engineering, just find a few people who actually know how to code...

I'm not sure they are able to use the pre orders money, Gamez, I think that money is freeze until they axtually releass the game in case of need to refound it. Personally I think this game had a lot of trouble, some of them due to inexperience in game development, like change the engine in the middle of game development, and don't have an actual schedule.

Hmm, maybe they should learn to......plumb? ;)

Jokes aside, I think they're just paying around with this one. I mean, if they have a serious legit reason why it's delayed they should at least come out and say it.....cuz this silent release date push back seems suspect as heck.

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Actually, a number of companies spend that pre-order money...supposedly to work on making the game in question.

As for this game: given that they already (afaik) spent the kickstarter backer money, i'd suspect they already dipped into the pre-order money as well.

ND is still "experienced" in this field......they should know how to stay closely to a schedule by now. As such, imo this push back doesn't bode too well.