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This is my favourite topic
Posted March 04, 2017
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drealmer7: oh how tiresome

I'll take the time later to address more specifically and at length, but, as always, ALL I'm doing is talking about the

various angles of things and going through them and putting stuff out there trying to weigh the pros and cons and get

others thoughts about it and as usual I come under fire for it blah blah blah
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HypersomniacLive: From what you've posted so far, I see talk only about a single angle and only cons presented. If you've done more than

that, forgive me for missing it, and kindly point me to it.

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GammaEmerald: Scum hunt then later we can share picks.
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HypersomniacLive: Sure, we can share picks at any point, but why later? What's the benefit of later over now?

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GammaEmerald: I think the "one name from each" idea is good for now.
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HypersomniacLive: Why is it good for now? Is it better than full reveal? If yes, why is it better, and if not, why choose this over a full reveal?

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trentonlf: [...] This is suppose to be a scum hunting game, not a break it out of the gate and solve a puzzle game. [...]

As I told adalibooks earlier, I will go with the majority as I don't really think naming the pairs will have that big an impact on the game.
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HypersomniacLive: The grid itself is not enough to break and solve the game out of the gate, is it? Your response to adaliabooks sounds like you agree with this, and as I said to drealmer7, scumhunting is still very much required.

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trentonlf: Scum could easily say pairs that someone else did just to leave more options open and if someone really did pick the same people as someone else everyone will think they are scum trying to do just that even if the picks really were the same. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: These are two very good points, but here's where people have to do the regular mafia game solving work. So, let's see how this goes.

1st pair: drealmer7 + GammaEmerald
2nd pair: RWarehall + Hunter65536

1st pair: Since scum have day chat, breaking up pairs of players in the same timezone was something I took into account. GammaEmerald is an unknown, to us, player but who knows and has played with drealmer7, so I chose to break them up.
2nd pair: They seem to coordinate too well last game, even without day chat, so I'd rather not have those two working together.

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trentonlf: [...]

I picked
RW & Hunter
Hyper & Gogtrial

I also drew the name Nick Nack
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HypersomniacLive: Why did you pick these pairs?
If I had the choice of 4 pairs I would have chosen the same 4 people in different pairs because all 4 of y'all can make me believe you're town when you're not and I didn't want y'all on teams together.
Posted March 04, 2017
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trentonlf: If I had the choice of 4 pairs I would have chosen the same 4 people in different pairs because all 4 of y'all can make me believe you're town when you're not and I didn't want y'all on teams together.
Has gogtrial34987 ever been scum before?
Posted March 04, 2017
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trentonlf: If I had the choice of 4 pairs I would have chosen the same 4 people in different pairs because all 4 of y'all can make me believe you're town when you're not and I didn't want y'all on teams together.
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HypersomniacLive: Has gogtrial34987 ever been scum before?
No idea. I was basing my thoughts on play style and thought process, and Gogtrial's play style and thought process is very similar to Hunter's (To me At least).
Posted March 04, 2017
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trentonlf: No idea. I was basing my thoughts on play style and thought process, and Gogtrial's play style and thought process is very similar to Hunter's (To me At least).
I don't think that they've been scum in any game they've played, so we don't really know how good/convincing their scum-play is. Hunter65536 on the other hand....

Speaking of him:

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Hunter65536: @trent awww I made it to your pick list ;)

Everyone's in a during mood, is it Christmas or something?
Anyway I agree with adalia so here's my picks:
Trent and HSL
Drealmer and gamma
You said why you picked that 2nd pair, but why did you pick tthe first pair?


And could everyone sharing their picks from here on also give the reasons for their choice?
Posted March 04, 2017
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trentonlf: If I had the choice of 4 pairs I would have chosen the same 4 people in different pairs because all 4 of y'all can make me believe you're town when you're not and I didn't want y'all on teams together.
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HypersomniacLive: Has gogtrial34987 ever been scum before?
Not here at least, don't know about other sites he might've played on
Posted March 04, 2017
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Hunter65536: Not here at least, don't know about other sites he might've played on
Even if they have, that's still zero meta for us, isn't it?

Could you also answer the question I asked you in my post #34?
Posted March 04, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: Hunter65536 on the other hand....
Don't leave me hanging like that man :P

Also reasoning would be because you both wolfed together before in WIFOM game and would've defeated us if not for dedo senpai's quick thinking. And back then I've also seen the Cue system you've had with your scum team and if you both had day chat welp town will be done for sure.
Posted March 04, 2017
Lift + Hunter
Hyper + GogTrial

How the heck do we have so many repeats?

2nd pair was going to be Hyper + Trent but I switched it up because I was worried about repeats...
That didn't seem to work out so well...

I didn't include Drealmer because I expected an early lynch...and didn't want to waste it.

Odd Job - btw
Posted March 04, 2017
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Hunter65536: Don't leave me hanging like that man :P

Also reasoning would be because you both wolfed together before in WIFOM game and would've defeated us if not for dedo senpai's quick thinking. And back then I've also seen the Cue system you've had with your scum team and if you both had day chat welp town will be done for sure.
Cue system?



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RWarehall: Lift + Hunter
Hyper + GogTrial

How the heck do we have so many repeats?

2nd pair was going to be Hyper + Trent but I switched it up because I was worried about repeats...
That didn't seem to work out so well... [...]
Funny, it looks like you targeted all the ones in timezones different than your own. Did it have anything to do with your picks? Why these pairs?


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RWarehall: [...] I didn't include Drealmer because I expected an early lynch...and didn't want to waste it. [...]
One could think you're lining him up for a D1 lynch.


I'm Jaws, I've served two villains with my shiny smile, the second one not all that well, admittedly.
Posted March 04, 2017
@HSL You know the thing where you were casually talking about your day irl but that was in fact your cue to your scum team about what you found the night before.
Posted March 04, 2017
I was going to go with dedo and someone because I feel he's a very strong player and one to watch, but he dropped out.

So I went with:

Hyper and drealmer - probably not the best pick in hindsight, as they probably would not have worked well together. But Hyper doesn't play often and I thought I'd do him a favour by making sure he doesn't get paired with drealmer...

trent and Hunter - both good scum players, so I thought I'd remove them as an option.

Unsurprisingly I haven't made it into anyone's picks yet (my scum game isn't exactly stellar), so hopefully that doesn't end up getting me lynched... Though I suppose I couldn't fault the logic of lynching me D1 if I'm statistically the most likely to be scum.
Posted March 04, 2017
Here's the grid so far; I colour-coded the picks, hope it's visible enough. Henchmen that have yet to reveal their picks: gogtrial34987, drealmer7, GammaEmerald and Lifthrasil (light yellow cells).

With quite a few repeats already, it looks like it's easier for scum to just claim to have picked one or more of the same pairs without drawing (too) much suspicion on them.


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adaliabooks: [...] Unsurprisingly I haven't made it into anyone's picks yet (my scum game isn't exactly stellar), so hopefully that doesn't end up getting me lynched... Though I suppose I couldn't fault the logic of lynching me D1 if I'm statistically the most likely to be scum.
No-one's really cleared (yet?), or have you already forgotten how the grid works?


@Hunter65536 - heh, I had forgotten all about that.
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Posted March 04, 2017
I went for
trentonlf + Hunter65536; I haven't played that much yet (this is only my third game, though it totally feels like that number should be higher), but these two I have the most history with, and mostly read wrong, also in games I observed.
RWarehall + Lifthrasil; these two are almost complete blanks for me with what to expect. Gamma is more so, but I'd expected that to go for most people, so to be included in a bunch of other pairings (same reason I didn't pick drealmer).

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HypersomniacLive: Has gogtrial34987 ever been scum before?
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trentonlf: No idea. I was basing my thoughts on play style and thought process, and Gogtrial's play style and thought process is very similar to Hunter's (To me At least).
I indeed have never been scum yet. (And don't play on other sites.) I do believe that it's likely that trent would pick me, based on smurfia and 1 night.
Posted March 04, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: No-one's really cleared (yet?), or have you already forgotten how the grid works?
Thanks for doing that.

Of course not, but if everyone gets picked for one combo then we are all just as likely be scum.
If three players get picked in four or five different combos they become much less likely to be scum (I don't think it's actually possible to be completely cleared from the picks alone, but I haven't looked too closely at that).
If everyone else gets picked twice and one person doesn't get picked at all they are (even just a little) more likely to be scum.

If we get anything better to work with then that's hardly worth considering, but this being day 1 we may not get much to work with.

So far you and Hunter are the least likely to be scum, but far from cleared in any way.
Posted March 04, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: Here's the grid so far; I colour-coded the picks, hope it's visible enough. Henchmen that have yet to reveal their picks: gogtrial34987, drealmer7, GammaEmerald and Lifthrasil (light yellow cells). .
I'm not understanding your graph because I don't see anyway for my picks to have been chosen, can you please explain it?
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