Let us know if you find anything different with it.

Because it's you being given acess to standalone installers that you will then run locally, not the files on your pc being given acess to a server to download whatever the files on your pc and the server pairing decide it's required to download. Regardless of whether or not you personally regard it as DRM it's definitely not the same thing, not even close.

By some definitions it would be if it wans't for the fact it's 100% optional.

I don't care what Mojang minds or doesn't mind, intent does not dictate the nature of things, behaviour does that.

Yes, i'm angry. I'm so very angry that i've bought the game. I'm so very angry that i don't even want to think about how many hours of fun i had with the game because it would be a troublesome realization. I'm so angry that i recommended the game to anyone inquiring about it. I'm so very angry that in this very thread i said i feel confortable with it all inspite of the client and how intial delivery and updates are processed.

That's me, internet angry man, zealot extraordinaire. Do you feel better about me not agreeing with your definition of DRM thay you got from wherever now that we've established i'm a rabid lunatic filled with hatred for the guy who came up with a fun game i enjoy plenty ?

Actually, and in the spirit of full disclosure, i did felt like punching Notch in the face once or twice back when the game was riddled with bugs and he was wasting his time messing about with square moon, round moon, square moon again.

I'm not familiar with Minecraft so forgive me... can you download the game, put it on a USB stick, go to a completely offline PC and install it and play it without internet?

If so: DRM free.

According to my tests, yes. It takes two steps to download it though, that's all.

I still don't get what you're saying. If it were merely intent and not behavior on Mojang's part, they'd be firing off lawsuits like there is no tomorrow. Modders would not exist. They have proven by their behavior that it's closed and restrictive.

Are you angry enough to install cool mods, though? :)

Point is, it's not my definition of DRM. It's the generally accepted definition. Do a google search, seriously. I linked the defectivebydesign.org site because that's probably the harshest, most aggressive one I could find. If anyone was going to disagree with me it'd be that one. If you find definitions that prove otherwise, please link to them.

To be clear I don't think you're a rabid lunatic. At least I haven't seen evidence here that you are (or aren't, for that matter!). Any lunacy and rabies (or lack thereof) may or may not have been preexisting conditions.

I just think if you're going to call this DRM then almost *everything* has some kind of DRM. (You could just as easily argue that GPL software is all DRM'ed because it restricts what you can and can't do with the software. Except that's not what DRM means either)

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree :) as, honestly, whatever 'DRM' might be on Minecraft, and I don't classify it as true DRM, then it personally doesn't bother me.

I will also say, one way in which Mojang and Notch has really made me like the company and made me realize they support gamers is the way anyone can play Minecraft, make videos of their gameplay and put up on YouTube or anywhere else and make money from it. Notch and Mojang don't care and have said "Have at it, do whatever you want with it".

The result? People like The Yogscast that have literally become millionaires just from playing Minecraft and a few thousand others who make a very nice living from it or a nice additional income.

Considering many many developers and publishers ban videos being monetized from their games and actively get YouTube accounts closed down (Microsoft doesn't allow anything and files DMCA complaints with YouTube like they're going out of fashion), I'll take Mojang and Notch and having to sign in now very occasionally in a heartbeat :)

In short yes. The new launcher has slightly complicated things but it's still possible.

In another thread someone has said GOG has DRM because you have to login to download the games. Some people have weird thoughts about what is or isn't DRM (or anything else in the world).

Ok, last message apparently didn't take (stupid unreliable internet connection grumble grumble...)

Magic Launcher works! I recommend you do what I'm doing, and burn a permanent offline Minecraft version to DVD-R now, before it changes again!

Thanks for all the help!!