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Wishbone: Your phrasing and attitude aside, I'm with you in this argument JI.
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JudasIscariot: Hey Wishbone,
Please give me as objective critique of my phrasing so that Imay improve:-)
Please note I hate holding back my sentiments on things because I feel it is far healthier to express oneself in terms one feels most comfortable with instead of dancing around the issue. Agian, that's just me though, YMMV.

I feel the same way. However, all I meant was that I agree with your consoles vs. PC argument, whilst staying completely out of the phrasing and attitude argument. I have no problem with what you said.
Post edited April 21, 2009 by Wishbone
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Weclock: Right here, right after your big post, sounds overly defensive to me. You just dismiss it without bringing up any real points of interest, your style is a lot better than this usually.
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JudasIscariot: Actually my choice of words was wrong, I will admit it. But I did put the ball in your court to find something other than puzzle games which are also quite abundant on PC. That was the intent at least.
I did mention Marvel Vs Capcom 2, also, there's my favorite wrestling game of all time WWF No Mercy, and WiiFit (there was also a fitness game for the regular Xbox), and there are no big named SHMUPS released, and other than maybe Zeno Clash (which is still an indie title) there really aren't any BMUPS either.
But defining just be genre is not a good thing either, because you can have a genre done to death on PC, but not actually have any games that are worthwhile on it, while the console games of the same genre are, like when I said Marvel Vs Capcom 2.
Mugen is cool, because it allows you to add your own characters, but there really is no balance, and not to mention the legal standing of the game is shady, because my last understanding was that owning mugen itself was illegal, but I probablyam just misunderstanding that.
Anyway, let's drag this to another thread, and let this continue to be a thread about fallout new vegas.
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Al1: As for the announcement of New Vegas, im really excited for this one, as long as Obsidian are given enough time to do it right. Although ironically, considering what i said above, the ending to KOTOR 2 blew huge chunks, particularly after i plunged nearly 30 hours into it making a deliciously evil character. No closure, just a big 'up yours'. Although, murder me if you wish, i think that KOTOR 2 had better moral choices and dillemas than it's predecessor, likewise for NWN 2. They were just unpolished.

"I think "unpolished" is an understatement of epic proportions in regard to KOTOR2, but I agree with the rest of your argument. That's also a contributing factor in my extreme antagonism towards that particular title. The fact that it could have been so brilliant. Such a waste."
Well i am willing to upgrade NWN 2 from 'unpolished' to ball-itchingly, back-breakingly, tounge-twistingly broken prior to the first 10 or so patches, and even after that it had many problems. And of course god help you if you uninstalled it then decided to put it back on your machine. 2-3 hours of patching! As for KOTOR 2, i was willing to look past the flaws a found a really good game, although i have to agree, if it had a longer dev cycle, it would have been so much better.
Also, to expand upon Bethesda having to modernise the series, would it have been realistic to have had it in an isometric perspective like the originals? For better or worse, the isometric perspective is percieved as something from a bygone era in gaming, and I think Bethesda would have been heavily criticised for doing something like that, and it would have been percieved as being old fashioned. The only way it might have worked would have been to have had something like in NWN 2, which is sort of inbetween 3rd person and isometric.
Post edited April 22, 2009 by Al1
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Al1: ball-itchingly

I like it when my balls itch, because then I get the joy of relief when I get to scratch them.
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Al1: ball-itchingly
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Weclock: I like it when my balls itch, because then I get the joy of relief when I get to scratch them.

Gotta be careful who you're looking at when you do or you'll look like a pervert
moreso anyway
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Weclock: I like it when my balls itch, because then I get the joy of relief when I get to scratch them.
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Aliasalpha: Gotta be careful who you're looking at when you do or you'll look like a pervert
moreso anyway
it's alright, I do it at the mother of my children, she does it to me.
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JudasIscariot: It is because of consoles that we now have the despicable three letter word known as "DLC"

No, it is simply the current direction of most business models. Surely you remember the proposals in the mid-1990's of software as a service rather than a product. Rather than buying a wordprocessor, we would use one over the internet. It's the same with other media: music, movie, TV shows; the current move is away from selling us a product, and instead selling a service that provides access to it. I don't like it, but I don't blame consoles, especially since it is happening in areas where consoles are not an issue.
In addition, the proliferation of games with big budgets has created a need to make additional revenue to sustain the company from a title before it is possible to create an additional, comparable title.
Personally, I still prefer the idea of a product and only buy DLCs or other downloads if it is possible for me to easily make a copy to archive at home.