Agreed.

I think that's unfair. People have been delivering the same types of games for years and putting more and more money into them because the presentation got better. I'm sure that Tim Schafer and Double Fine are trying to make a game that will do the company proud. I agree that if they won't deliver there would be backlash, but I think they will.

No, that isn't the end of the discussion, because they did have increases on that budget, from Brütal Legend sales and Humble Bundle. In the worst case, they will have to cut content from the game, but before that they have the opportunity to get the rest of the money from Steam Early Access and possibly other sources.

Please see the post 2 above yours. jamyskis is basically saying it's not a good thing that DF is spending money over what it got from the KS. That's definitely true. That doesn't mean the game won't make it, just that it's not a sustainable model. Of course, there's still a chance the game will earn back that money, in which case it's not that bad, but it's possible that it won't. We'll have to wait and see.

Ah, I wasn't sure that jamyskis had understood that the budget had in fact increased with the scope.

I think he understands that fine, it's just managerial incompetence that permitted the scope to grow so far beyond what their budget allowed for.

It also means that if something unexpected happens, they won't have as much cash to deal with it. I'd love this game to be great, but it's rather ballsy to borrow money from cash reserve to make a larger game.

But, that's the thing though, it's not so far beyond the budget. I think what many people fail to realize is that DF had already increased the budget.

Sigh. As I said earlier. Give us exact numbers then.

I don't think you understand the concept of a budget.

There are no exact numbers currently. The most recent information is a couple of months old right now. And, I'm afraid DF will be far more cautious with releasing that sort of information with the recent leakage.
I may have mixed up a few terms. English is, after all, not my first language. I meant that they had already put more money into the project.

That's probably why the argument isn't getting anywhere.

Yeah, maybe, but I think this topic has been exhausted anyway. I see now that some people are so entrenched in their positions that they will never give an inch. There is no point in telling them that the project has not been delayed two years or that DF hasn't spent all the money, because they will never believe it.

Also, I've learned meanwhile that Crosmando's motivation behind "informing the people" is just that he wants to see DF fail, so I see no further need to keep this thread alive:

I watched the DFA episode and have estimated some numbers. I think they need another 1.5mil. It's very possible that the Early Access release will not generate enough money to finish the game. I hope they have another money scheme.

Ah, what a shame he didn't seem to have the guts to be upfront about it in his own thread here.

Not its biggest fan, but it IS Steam. I find it hard to believe putting the game on Steam won't help reach 1.5 million at the very least.