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Posted June 27, 2017
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richlind33: These ungrateful peons should be thankful they're allowed to live, right m8? o.O
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paladin181: I don't even get your reference here except to say things I again never said or implied. Go troll someone else. Your straw man will not cause me any pain here.
He isn't referencing a thing.
He is saying that you are an overblown, pompeous, entitled Whit Knight, who tells people who see something they perceive as morally bankrupt that they should pretty much just accept it.
I have given you more than one reply, and it is surprisingly silent from your side.

I am rather civil towards you right now, but the fact that you fail to see how you just blatantly handwave arguments in favor of keeping both versions separate away just to, to put it crudely, stick Beamdogs mighty meatrod further up a crevice of your anatomy so seldomnly seen by the light of the sun that not even the denizens of the Nine Hells would touch it with a stick the size of Elminster *and* his hat, is starting to annoy me.

I have dealt plenty of times with Beamdog White Knights.
I utterly crush them.
So before you continue to misbehave in this topic, you have been warned.
Posted June 27, 2017
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richlind33: These ungrateful peons should be thankful they're allowed to live, right m8? o.O
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paladin181: I don't even get your reference here except to say things I again never said or implied. Go troll someone else. Your straw man will not cause me any pain here.
Labeling someone a troll is arguably the biggest strawman argument out there. It is basically just trying to label another person in order to make his arguments...go away.

And if you don't even get his reference, like you say, how can you even know if he is trolling?

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_baldurs_gate_icewind_dale_osts_52bcd

Beamdog now removed the soundtracks from BG1-2, Icewind Dale, and SoD. In order to sell them separately.

Anyone still up for defending this company or?
Post edited June 27, 2017 by Stig79
Posted June 27, 2017
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Posted June 27, 2017
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paladin181: I don't even get your reference here except to say things I again never said or implied. Go troll someone else. Your straw man will not cause me any pain here.
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Stig79: Labeling someone a troll is arguably the biggest strawman argument out there. It is basically just trying to label another person in order to make his arguments...go away.

And if you don't even get his reference, like you say, how can you even know if he is trolling?

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_baldurs_gate_icewind_dale_osts_52bcd

Beamdog now removed the soundtracks from BG1-2, Icewind Dale, and SoD. In order to sell them separately.

Anyone still up for defending this company or?
Careful now, Beamdog have copyrighted "Baldurs", "Icewind", and "Spear of Debolox" and charge $5 a time to use them.
Posted June 27, 2017
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paladin181: I don't even get your reference here except to say things I again never said or implied. Go troll someone else. Your straw man will not cause me any pain here.
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Stig79: Labeling someone a troll is arguably the biggest strawman argument out there. It is basically just trying to label another person in order to make his arguments...go away.

And if you don't even get his reference, like you say, how can you even know if he is trolling?

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_baldurs_gate_icewind_dale_osts_52bcd

Beamdog now removed the soundtracks from BG1-2, Icewind Dale, and SoD. In order to sell them separately.

Anyone still up for defending this company or?
Nobody removed anything.

If you buy the EEs from GoG, you get original games and original soundtracks (along other extras) that come with original games. Nothing has changed about the original soundtracks in that regard. Only the EE OSTs are added as separate items for sale.

https://www.gog.com/forum/planescape_torment_enhanced_edition/soundtrack_question/post4
Posted June 27, 2017
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Stig79: Labeling someone a troll is arguably the biggest strawman argument out there. It is basically just trying to label another person in order to make his arguments...go away.

And if you don't even get his reference, like you say, how can you even know if he is trolling?

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_baldurs_gate_icewind_dale_osts_52bcd

Beamdog now removed the soundtracks from BG1-2, Icewind Dale, and SoD. In order to sell them separately.

Anyone still up for defending this company or?
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juliusborisov: Nobody removed anything.

If you buy the EEs from GoG, you get original games and original soundtracks (along other extras) that come with original games. Nothing has changed about the original soundtracks in that regard. Only the EE OSTs are added as separate items for sale.

https://www.gog.com/forum/planescape_torment_enhanced_edition/soundtrack_question/post4
Gave a friend of mine the BG redeem code three days ago. He says the soundtrack is not included.

It used to be included before the "new" soundtrack started getting sold separately though.
Posted June 27, 2017
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juliusborisov: Nobody removed anything.

If you buy the EEs from GoG, you get original games and original soundtracks (along other extras) that come with original games. Nothing has changed about the original soundtracks in that regard. Only the EE OSTs are added as separate items for sale.

https://www.gog.com/forum/planescape_torment_enhanced_edition/soundtrack_question/post4
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Stig79: Gave a friend of mine the BG redeem code three days ago. He says the soundtrack is not included.

It used to be included before the "new" soundtrack started getting sold separately though.
If it's the case as of today, then it's GoG's decision. Beamdog can't influence GoG's way of distribution of original games and their extras.


Edit: Have just redeemed my own gift code for BG Original Saga. It shows the original soundtrack as a pack. Tell your friend to double-check.
Post edited June 27, 2017 by juliusborisov
Posted June 27, 2017
Actually, Beamdog *can* influence Gogs decision, by either not allowing GoG to sell the soundtrack with the game proper (licencing), or simply charging extra for the "soundtrack key", meaning gog *has* to sell it separate if they actually want to turn a profit (And considering how GoG ultimately *is* a company that wants to pay its employers and have the owner eat every night, this is not a very bad thing)

Beamdog sets the price, Beamdog says what is for sale.
Steam has the exact same thing. You buy the game, you want the soundtrack? You pay extra as "DLC".

This is SOLELY on Beamdogs shoulders.
Posted June 27, 2017
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Stig79: Gave a friend of mine the BG redeem code three days ago. He says the soundtrack is not included.

It used to be included before the "new" soundtrack started getting sold separately though.
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juliusborisov: If it's the case as of today, then it's GoG's decision. Beamdog can't influence GoG's way of distribution of original games and their extras.

Edit: Have just redeemed my own gift code for BG Original Saga. It shows the original soundtrack as a pack. Tell your friend to double-check.
If this is the case I will absolutely tell him to double check.
Posted June 27, 2017
Here's the proof the original soundtrack is still a part of the Original saga.
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original_soundtr.jpg (117 Kb)
Posted June 27, 2017
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TTripweed: Beamdog has had a wonderful run with iOS customers for BG2 "EE". You see, there was a patch that PC users got. iOS users... well, didn't. Then PC users got another patch. Meanwhile, iOS users were still 2 patches earlier.
When asked about this on the forums, they at first deleted the messages, and later said they submitted the patches but that Apple didn't approve.
Meanwhile, Apple said that nothing was ever submitted to them in the first place, so there was nothing to approve.

TL;DR
Beamdog screwed over their iOS customers by not patching the game, and then lied about having submitted it, trying to shift blame.

As well Paladin, you are *EXACTLY* the White Knight I am talking about.
Ignore the cashgrabby nature they constantly display and claim they "worked a lot" when most of the work was directly lifted from patches released almost a decade earlier.
The only original content made by these people were bad NPC mod level stuff.
Let's not even go towards PR disasters where the Beamdog lead writer for SoD said that BG1 was "sexist" and how a lot of critics on the expansion were silenced with "you just hate transpeople!" (Seriously, it seems like that was the only reason the character was put in, have an easy straw to grasp when someone criticizes the rather bad and way too overpriced expansion pack)

I don't like companies who lie to their customers, derrive them of a playable product and pretty much just take other peoples work, slap their name on it and an afterthought "thank you" in the credits and sell it.

You seem to act as if the originals needed computer coding knowledge to set up, when that isn't the case. Because the fix packs acted like a patch.
You download it. You run it. Ta-daaaaa.
The only thing they got right is multiplayer, and even that was still a rather buggy mess.
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paladin181: And I'm not a white knight, despite my name. I just don't choose to assume people selling a game that they worked on is merely the easiest way for them to make money, or that they're actively trying to screw over the people who give them money for product. HASBRO, wanting to sell their new product over the old one likely had the old one pulled. I don't get all the bitterness about a company updating 20 year old games with a streamlined install (so I don't have to install both BG1 and 2 to get the benefits of Tutu or other Wedu mods) and rather get to enjoy the games as I like. Someone takes something old, shines it up (yes, by using some of the groundwork laid by the modding community) and sells it for a profit and it makes them a bad guy. You must hate Bethesda too. They've been doing that for years.

I don't have a problem with a company exercising their rights (that they own) in a way that lets them make money off their products. The originals were available here for years for $10. If you didn't buy them, that's your own fault. There was AMPLE opportunity. I bought all the originals, and all the Enhanced Editions because I love the games and want to support the developers and producers.
A lot of the criticism of the Beamdog editions was due to the charecters and other new material they added to BG 1 and IW1..which people felt.IMHO quite rightly...was inferior to what was in the original game. IMHO they should have just updated the game engine,and not try to "Improve" the gameplay elements. I note they have stopped doing this with their last few releases.
At least they should have included an option to play the original with the added gameplay material left out.

I agree that a lot of the Beamdog hate is way over the top, but I do criticize them on this point. They should no thave tried to rewrite a classic game. Just upgrade the engine and grpahics for modern systems.
That their attempt at a stand alone expansion turned out to be a disaster did not help much. IMHO Beamdog has learned their lesson.

And...yawn....the same old "BUSINESS AND MAKING MONEY IS EVIL" crap...dime store clichés.
Post edited June 27, 2017 by dudalb
Posted June 27, 2017
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dudalb: A lot of the criticism of the Beamdog editions was due to the charecters and other new material they added to BG 1 and IW1..which people felt.IMHO quite rightly...was inferior to what was in the original game. IMHO they should have just updated the game engine,and not try to "Improve" the gameplay elements. I note they have stopped doing this with their last few releases.
At least they should have included an option to play the original with the added gameplay material left out.

I agree that a lot of the Beamdog hate is way over the top, but I do criticize them on this point. They should no thave tried to rewrite a classic game. Just upgrade the engine and grpahics for modern systems.
That their attempt at a stand alone expansion turned out to be a disaster did not help much. IMHO Beamdog has learned their lesson.

And...yawn....the same old "BUSINESS AND MAKING MONEY IS EVIL" crap...dime store clichés.
Glad you understand. I never said the additional characters were any good. I bought Spear of whatever it was and I'll be honest, I didn't like it. To say they felt the original game was sexist or whatnot is a slap in the face of an incredible game that worked very well. Not every experience has to be an exercise in friendly world love for all all the time. But the fact that they re released the game with a new engine update is not to be disparaged, nor is the fact that someone had the originals removed from sale to bolster the sales of the newer versions. GOG helped by getting the original games included in the new version rather than lost forever anyway, and people still complain and call those involved villains. You're the first one to respond in a manner that makes it seem like SOMEONE understands that these people do what they do to make money. I do my job to make money, and because I like helping people. These guys do their jobs to make money. Most of those complaining probably work for their money. But Gods forbid someone who sells you something make a penny of profit from it.

I'm far more upset with people who re release original works that they've purchased the rights to without doing ANYTHING to make them better or any work on them at all because they are raking in profits for something they did NOTHING for except buy rights. They are many times worse than teams like Beamdog who tried to improve the work they had the licenses for.
Posted June 27, 2017
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dudalb: And...yawn....the same old "BUSINESS AND MAKING MONEY IS EVIL" crap...dime store clichés.
Were your mind not so dull you'd realize that life is inherently paradoxical, rather than dichotomic.
Posted June 28, 2017
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dudalb: A lot of the criticism of the Beamdog editions was due to the charecters and other new material they added to BG 1 and IW1..which people felt.IMHO quite rightly...was inferior to what was in the original game. IMHO they should have just updated the game engine,and not try to "Improve" the gameplay elements. I note they have stopped doing this with their last few releases.
At least they should have included an option to play the original with the added gameplay material left out.

I agree that a lot of the Beamdog hate is way over the top, but I do criticize them on this point. They should no thave tried to rewrite a classic game. Just upgrade the engine and grpahics for modern systems.
That their attempt at a stand alone expansion turned out to be a disaster did not help much. IMHO Beamdog has learned their lesson.

And...yawn....the same old "BUSINESS AND MAKING MONEY IS EVIL" crap...dime store clichés.
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paladin181: Glad you understand. I never said the additional characters were any good. I bought Spear of whatever it was and I'll be honest, I didn't like it. To say they felt the original game was sexist or whatnot is a slap in the face of an incredible game that worked very well. Not every experience has to be an exercise in friendly world love for all all the time. But the fact that they re released the game with a new engine update is not to be disparaged, nor is the fact that someone had the originals removed from sale to bolster the sales of the newer versions. GOG helped by getting the original games included in the new version rather than lost forever anyway, and people still complain and call those involved villains. You're the first one to respond in a manner that makes it seem like SOMEONE understands that these people do what they do to make money. I do my job to make money, and because I like helping people. These guys do their jobs to make money. Most of those complaining probably work for their money. But Gods forbid someone who sells you something make a penny of profit from it.

I'm far more upset with people who re release original works that they've purchased the rights to without doing ANYTHING to make them better or any work on them at all because they are raking in profits for something they did NOTHING for except buy rights. They are many times worse than teams like Beamdog who tried to improve the work they had the licenses for.
Beamdog actually made them worse, man. + They also made sure you have to buy their crap if you want the originals.

They did this in spite of saying "Our version will never replace the original games". Uhm...yes. They actually did replace the originals when they pulled that move. Black Isle isn't even being credited for BG anymore. It says Beamdog all over the place.
Posted June 28, 2017
Sooo paladin, are you ever going to address my points? Because frankly, it is rather insulting that you flat out skip everything I say, yet continue to address other people (solely those that agree with you it seems at that) in my very topic.
Lack of respect.
Kids these days. psch.
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