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Because honestly I feel I never get a straight answer with the negative reprecussions with Denuvo.

I mean the other worse forms of DRM are easy to understand why they are bad:

In the days of DOS gaming, they use a Copy Protection system by purposely making a game unbeatable or unplayable unless you have the codes or methods that is given to you with a purchased copy of hte game, in the case with Ultima 6 and 7, you had to answer a series of questions from characters, to answer those questions, you had to either have the list of answers given to you in the purchased game box, or you are lore savvy with the game's universe. The Copy Protection also varies depending on the game so not all of it was merely questions and answers.

Another bad one is SecuROM, where you had a set amount of limits to how many times can you uninstall and re-install a game, and when you run them out you had to check with SecuROM's website for them to give you more chances to install your games.

And of course there is worse one, Always Online DRM, no connection, no game, made clearly to how horrible it was with Assassin's Creed 2.

But I see nothing with Denuvo and why its bad, the only thing I got out of it was they say that it causes performance issues with your games? But I find that debateable because i played games with Denuvo, most notably Resident Evil 7 on Steam and in my experiance that game performance wise was flawless. 60+ FPS constantly, not lags or jittering, etc. Which makes me think its not Denuvo but playing these kinds of games with potatoe powered PCs for all I know.

So please answer to me with absolute clarity as a laymen, why is Denuvo bad?
Post edited July 11, 2018 by Elmofongo
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Elmofongo: So please answer to me with absolute clarity as a laymen, why is Denuvo bad?
Okay, once more I will repeat it for you.

It has been scientifically proven that Dunovo heightens estrogenlevels by males, which makes brests to form.

DRM-free on the other hand will grow hair on your chest.
you're asking this on a drm-free loving community.

and it should be very obvious why people don't like it in their games. https://everythingdenuvo.wordpress.com/
Denuvo bloats installation sizes, but otherwise it's just a measure to track purchases. Most games drop it after a while (weeks/a month) because investors need certifiable data on how the game's doing.
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Elmofongo: Because honestly I feel I never get a straight answer with the negative reprecussions with Denuvo.

I mean the other worse forms of DRM are easy to understand why they are bad:

In the days of DOS gaming, they use a Copy Protection system by purposely making a game unbeatable or unplayable unless you have the codes or methods that is given to you with a purchased copy of hte game, in the case with Ultima 6 and 7, you had to answer a series of questions from characters, to answer those questions, you had to either have the list of answers given to you in the purchased game box, or you are lore savvy with the game's universe. The Copy Protection also varies depending on the game so not all of it was merely questions and answers.

Another bad one is SecuROM, where you had a set amount of limits to how many times can you uninstall and re-install a game, and when you run them out you had to check with SecuROM's website for them to give you more chances to install your games.

And of course there is worse one, Always Online DRM, no connection, no game, made clearly to how horrible it was with Assassin's Creed 2.

But I see nothing with Denuvo and why its bad, the only thing I got out of it was they say that it causes performance issues with your games? But I find that debateable because i played games with Denuvo, most notably Resident Evil 7 on Steam and in my experiance that game performance wise was flawless. 60+ FPS constantly, not lags or jittering, etc. Which makes me think its not Denuvo but playing these kinds of games with potatoe powered PCs for all I know.

So please answer to me with absolute clarity as a laymen, why is Denuvo bad?
The big one for me is that it requires the verification servers to be running in order to activate your install. If you install a game 10 years from now and those servers are down - you're going to have to find a crack and all the risks associated with that (malware, viruses, etc).

There is also a well documented marked difference in performance between Denovu RiME and without Denovo RiME. It's hard to tell if Denuvo if affecting performance in most cases because most cracks simply bypass Denovo rather than remove it - there's no baseline for comparison until Denuvo strips the DRM themselves (and it seems they prefer to bypass it instead of remove it too).
I'm not an expert but for starters Denuvo on a few occasions impacted game performance.
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Elmofongo: ...
You should ask on a site like r/games for less biased opinions and info, imo.
it is more difficult to crack?
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Strijkbout: DRM-free on the other hand will grow hair on your chest.
That could explain why there aren't many women around here.
You purchase it.
It does actions against you.
Consuming your hardware cycles.
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Elmofongo: So please answer to me with absolute clarity as a laymen, why is Denuvo bad?
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Strijkbout: Okay, once more I will repeat it for you.

It has been scientifically proven that Dunovo heightens estrogenlevels by males, which makes brests to form.

DRM-free on the other hand will grow hair on your chest.
Yikes, better start buying Steam games again then. D:
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Elmofongo: Because honestly I feel I never get a straight answer with the negative reprecussions with Denuvo.
1. It's DRM which is naturally incompatible with long-term game preservation

2. Despite fanboys and shills trying hard to deny it, it's long been proven to impact performance:-

Syberia 3 Crack Notes = "Game starts up about 40 secs faster without D sooo... yeah Denuvo kills perfomance... especially when you are using two Denuvos in one game"

Rime Crack Notes = "Game is super nice and you should support devs, buy it when you can do it. But the game will be much better without that huge abomination called Denuvo. In Rime that ugly creature went out of control - how do you like three f*cking hundreds of THOUSANDS calls to "triggers" during initial game launch and savegame loading? Did you wonder why game loading times are so long - here is the answer. In previous games like Sgw3, Niet, Prey there were only about 1000 "triggers" called, so we have 300x here. Next - 300,000 called "triggers" were just warmup for Denuvo, after 30 minutes of gameplay it became 2 f*ucking MILLIONS of called "triggers". Protection now calls about 10-30 triggers every second during actual gameplay, so do the math. Don't forget that triggers is under VM and heavily obfuscated, which obviously does not improve performance."

Assassins Creed Origins = "The only thing I can tell is that Denuvo itself brings ~30-40% to CPU usage (!!) that's why the game is so CPU demanding"

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/rumour-denuvo-causes-30-40-additional-cpu-usage-assassins-creed-origins/

As seen above, even simple point & click adventures like Syberia 3 took +40s longer to start / reload from save-games (measuring same game with and without Denuvo). Several newer Denuvo + VMProtect Ubisoft titles from AC:Origins to WatchDogs 2 have CPU usage far higher than is normal vs earlier games. "Denuvo has zero performance impact" has long been debunked on startup / save-load times alone.
Post edited July 12, 2018 by AB2012
I don't imagine that people who purchased the Mac version of Metal Gear Rising had any issues with it at first, either. Activation servers are basically kill switches, and not all Denuvo games are big enough to be worth the effort cracking them. The more people accept it, the more it gets used, which increases the chances that a bunch of games end up becoming permanently unplayable down the road.
Besides the fact the game will be unusable with servers offline, every unnecessary byte of code impacts performance.
Not to defend Denuvo, but I'd like to know when it's that fucking up the performance or if it's just bad optimization. I mean, no games are made with PC in mind anymore.