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KabyLake: No, I did not. And even if I contacted them, why they are can deny my access to all my subscriptions? I disagree with that.
You know that user agreement you greed to when you made your account? It explicitly sates that they can revoke your access to any license. Period. You agreed to that.
The customer support exists precisely to communicate with customers, ordering not to contact them anymore, as far as I am concerned, is an abuse. This is further proof of how much Steam sucks.
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Pheace: It did. He didn't lose access to his games because of that.

I recommend you read the Steam support link to see why he lost it. And that entire conversation was after already having been issued a final warning before that warning him he would permanently lose his account if he kept sending tickets/emails about that issue.
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_mz_: i did read the whole steam support link before posting .. but my (maybe wrong) impression was that he also lost access to his games/apps
They did... eventually. Because of their refusal to shut up, eventually Steam issued an ultimatum: stop contacting us about this, or permanently lose your account.

OP made their choice.
No. It seems that you're really not getting something, so I'll make it very clear:

You can play games without these locks on a different account if you'd like.

All of the account's restrictions are intended and not negotiable. If you try to negotiate the account's restrictions in any way again, we'll proceed with the permanent deactivation of this account.


Best,
Mara
13.5 hours later
Dear Steam Support,

You're really not getting something too... I'm sorry it can be a bit arrogant from my side...

>>"permanent ban was warranted"

It was an unwanted action. If I knew about this exploit before, I would have run it momentally and transferred all items to other account(s). But in my case it was:

1) After one month of temporary restrictions.

2) I do not transferred any tradable items or game cards (I have a lot of foil cards and so on).

3) I do not transferred any gifts even after Permanent Community Ban, and start "spamming" your team. (contacting)

4) I still risk in this conversation, because you can deactivate my account again in any time.

Side note: I've really tried to contact Steam Support for reapplying but it was impossibe. First time in my history I've got a temporally Steam Support cooldown on 19 June of 2017 at 11:05 AM PST. On this screenshot 4:05 in my time zone. It was a help request on russian language. I can't provide you ticket number or link - I often cleaning my email.
I mean you were warned and warned and warned.

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Alexim: The customer support exists precisely to communicate with customers, ordering not to contact them anymore, as far as I am concerned, is an abuse. This is further proof of how much Steam sucks.
Except they already had an answer, and just because they didn't like it, they kept harassing VALVe employees. If you get told no and that it won't change, inundating them with further messages (to the count of hundreds according to Mara) is grounds to "Stop calling us!"
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mike_cesara: No one is going to take your car away If you loose your driver licence and keep complaining about to the local authorities.
The difference is that you own your car.
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tremere110: The only way to remove the ban now is to hire a lawyer and go through the arbitration process. Nothing other than legal compulsion will convince Valve to remove a permanent ban.
You don;t even have to hire a lawyer:

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#11
This reminds me of the time I got banned from flying Delta because I slept during a flight.

Now mind you, I sleep in the nude, but I still think it was a bit harsh.
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tinyE: This reminds me of the time I got banned from flying Delta because I slept during a flight.

Now mind you, I sleep in the nude, but I still think it was a bit harsh.
Have you seen yourself nude? Lifetime ban may have been getting off easy.
Off-topic:
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tinyE: Here are evidently the nine most common.
Looks like a typical day in here. :P
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/9-common-steam-community-violations-report/
I am curious: what is the difference between "Defaming, verbally abusing, or stalking" and "Flaming or insulting other members"? The latter seems a subset of the former to me. Also, why would it be against the rules to discuss console emulators on a Windows gaming site?
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mike_cesara: No one is going to take your car away If you loose your driver licence and keep complaining about to the local authorities.
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SirPrimalform: The difference is that you own your car.
I wouldn't be so sure anymore if you own or you're owned in nowadays.
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mike_cesara: I wouldn't be so sure anymore if you own or you're owned in nowadays.
Touché.

But my point is that Steam games are a subscription to a service. Access to the games is an ongoing service that they can choose to terminate. GOG can close your account just as easily, but it has a much lower impact on anyone who actually keeps their games locally.
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darktjm: Off-topic:
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tinyE:
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darktjm: Also, why would it be against the rules to discuss console emulators on a Windows gaming site?
This seems to be up for debate, Some consider emulators piracy, and I would imagine Steam is VERY strict about people discussing piracy.
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mike_cesara: I wouldn't be so sure anymore if you own or you're owned in nowadays.
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SirPrimalform: Touché.

But my point is that Steam games are a subscription to a service. Access to the games is an ongoing service that they can choose to terminate. GOG can close your account just as easily, but it has a much lower impact on anyone who actually keeps their games locally.
True, though you don't own your car on GOG any more than you do on Steam. It's more akin to having your car stashed in a foreign country where the authorities can't touch it if you break any of the terms you bought it for.
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mike_cesara: I wouldn't be so sure anymore if you own or you're owned in nowadays.
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SirPrimalform: Touché.

But my point is that Steam games are a subscription to a service. Access to the games is an ongoing service that they can choose to terminate. GOG can close your account just as easily, but it has a much lower impact on anyone who actually keeps their games locally.
And my point is, is really complaining (or even being annoying as hell) enough to take away any goods you've already paid for?
Yes, I did read the whole story and I am not so sure who's abusing the system more..
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Pheace: True, though you don't own your car on GOG any more than you do on Steam. It's more akin to having your car stashed in a foreign country where the authorities can't touch it if you break any of the terms you bought it for.
Mike_cesara was the one making comparisons to cars. I wasn't saying that having a game on GOG is like owning a car at all and your analogy still doesn't work as it implies that keeping backups of GOG games downloaded from a terminated account is somehow exploiting a loophole by stashing the games where GOG can't reach them. It's not that GOG can't get to your backups, it's that they're nothing to do with GOG and they would have no interest in getting to them.

I was saying that on Steam you buy a licence and a subscription to the service that allows you to download and run the game.

On GOG, you buy a licence and a subscription to a service that allows you to download the game.

In the case of Steam account termination you don't lose your licence to the software, just your only means of access (of course there are some DRM-free games on Steam). You still own your licence but your ability to run a lot of the software is compromised.

In the case of GOG account termination you don't lose your licence to the software either, just your means of downloading. If you have the files then you're fine to keep using them as you still own your invisible licence to use the software.


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mike_cesara: And my point is, is really complaining (or even being annoying as hell) enough to take away any goods you've already paid for?
Yes, I did read the whole story and I am not so sure who's abusing the system more..
See above. The goods (licences) are still yours, it's use of the service that's suspended. Of course, the service is mostly required for the games to function, but that's something every Steam user accepted when they signed up.
Post edited May 16, 2018 by SirPrimalform