I'm really starting to get sick of clicking "Post my message" only for the forum to lock up, say "Please wait. Processing...", and for my post to never show up...
Just tried to edit this post to include the response I just wrote, and it won't let me... it's almost as if my post is being auto-filtered. What the hell?
Edit - Not letting me post the last bit of the response at all now, there's no swear words in it; but no, I don't get to respond.
Edit 2 - I'm allowed to make edits, but I'm not allowed to actually respond with my actual response. GOG has clearly added something to the word filter that I can't find. It's not a swear word, but it's effectively censoring any response and it does so by just freezing up on "processing" rather than actually showing an error. Well done GOG. Pathetic.
Edit 3 - I've been trying for half an hour to get this shitty forum to actually accept my response and it won't yet no-one else seems to have this trouble. Screw this, it's not worth any more of my time, just so I can get insulted by idiot SJWs anyway.
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TornadoCreator: But it is a shame when mainstream libertarian politics ends up getting treated like a controversial position and it's advocates treated like neo-nazis.
xSinghx: Well libertarianism (if we're talking about the American use of the term) is controversial because of its views on government compared to the world we live in and the radical change that would have to happen to see a libertarian view realized - so yes in that context it is controversial. Probably less controversial than likening the treatment of libertarianism to neo-nazis which is hyperbolic and untrue. Libertarianism and Neo-Nazis are both clearly empathized with by right-wing institutions (well now the presidency as well actually) in this country as Charlottesville and the Tea Party illustrate.
Generally it's been my experience those standing up for libertarianism are unread and unthoughtful in what they espouse. It's then no surprise why many in the Tea Party movement didn't realize it was being bankrolled by industrialists like the Kochs nor think much about the use of such politics to those with power. Since you like linking Salon pieces,
try this one. Really?
Do you actually know what libertarians stand for? Because you seem somewhat confused. Libertarians stand for social freedoms and put those rights above all others. We stand for free speech, free expression, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to assembly, the right of association, and other such rights and privileges. We believe that social restrictions should exist ONLY where they directly restrict someone else's rights...
So let's take Free Speech Week at Berkeley, California as an example. The conservative and libertarian students and speakers wanting to hold a convention and organised lectures with celebrity speakers in paid accommodation; who the SJW masses have labelled as neo nazi's and white supremacists because they lack the brain capacity to see how wrong they are. These people should be left unhindered and able to run their convention. If you don't like it, don't attend. The people protesting, shouting "no racist KKK, no fascist USA" over and over, not realising their attempts to limit free speech makes them the fucking fascists. They should be arrested. Why? Because the right to free speech gives four rights. The right to speak, the right the remain silent, the right to listen, and the right to be heard. These protesters are denying the students who ran this convention the right to listen to their speakers by intentionally trying to drown them out and disrupt the even, and they're denying speakers like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, and Steve Bannon their right to be heard by people who want to see them and have paid to see them...
TornadoCreator: I say I'm a Trump supporter and everyone loses their shit...
xSinghx: Backing a bigot tends to have that effect.
Grow up. Donald Trump isn't a bigot, he's a man in his 70's who doesn't give a shit about political correction. Wind your damn neck in and stop acting like everyone who doesn't care about your delicate sensibilities is somehow Caligula.
TornadoCreator: I'm not even American, I'm British and I'm not conservative...
xSinghx: And yet you use the same epithets of conservatives like "SJW," "virtue signaling," & "regressive" while promoting the right's "liberal bias" myth.
Because those labels fit.
I'm a socialist, environmentalist, libertarian. I support universal healthcare, the universal living wage, public ownership of transit and energy services, and a more intense wealth re-distribution by increasing taxation on the rich. I also support harsh environmental regulations to combat climate change, protections for free speech, deregulation and fragmentation of the media, full net neutrality, and a separation of church and state. I'm more left wing that anyone you're ever likely to meet....
....but because I don't swallow the bullshit that American "left wing" groups peddle I'm apparently a conservative now. Coming from a country where both their major political parties can be adequately described as, far right corporate conservatives. Americans wouldn't know left wing if their lives depend on it, even Bernie Sanders was a best a centrist, but when talking they call the fascist feminist authoritarian crybabies the left wing, and the overbearing anti-science moronic conservatives the right wing... while I'm not a fan of either, the American right wing is the lesser evil by quite a long way.
TornadoCreator: I just think there are certain issues in American politics that the American left-wing are getting very wrong.
xSinghx: There is no left wing in American politics. It's pretty clear by what you write after this that you really haven't put any work into understanding much of anything thus your recycling of distortions and misinformation about Antifa and media bias - all right-wing propaganda narratives.
So they don't riot? Attack conservatives? Try to silence and censor the American right wing? Don't label everyone who disagrees with them as white supremacists?
STOP FÚCKING LYING! - (really, a swear filter, that's why my post was locked in "processing" hell, oh grow up GOG)
TornadoCreator: I've even heard some sources claim the Klingon's where designed to mirror Trump supporters,..You can't character assassinate half the American voting population and expect no backlash. The world doesn't work that way.
xSinghx: Trump Voters are not the same as Trump Supporters - there's a distinction. His base is closer to 20% of that which is more than deserving of questions about their character - though they're likely not introspective enough for it to matter.
Is that your way of justifying mainstream media portraying the people who support the CURRENT PRESIDENT as bloodthirsty psychotics? Screw you, how about that.