Don't purposely misquote me and change what I say in order to post a pointless and spammy non-response, it's an extremely dickish and arrogant thing to do. Either contribute to the conversation, or kindly fuck off and let the people who have something worthwhile to say post.

Edit: Apparently I'm not allowed to post in this thread any more... my responses get auto-deleted. Nice GOG, good to see you're a place that's pro censorship.

I guess I should have expected this SJW shitposting nonsense to happen sooner or later.

I'll try to cut this short, in the hopes of saving this thread before I have to ask for it to be closed. Is Burnham poorly written? She sure is. But it doesn't have anything to do with her gender or race. And the captain of Discovery, so the captain for the rest of the show, is a white male. There. That's the extent of the "ham-fisted" political correctness. Now please, stop this nonsense everybody.

It's not nonsense. It's a concern about whether we're going to get Star Trek that actually feels like Star Trek, or a show that feels like left-wing USA trying to virtue signal to the SJW minority at the expense of a decent sci-fi show. But by all means if you can't handle a respectful conversation about this, go ahead an ask the moderators to close the thread. Go on, censor the opposition like a good little regressive SJW. God forbid someone have a different goddamn opinion to yourself.

But then how would you get to post?

Always baffles me... who even thinks like this...? So there's some coloured people on the screen... I guess... was that the issue? If it wasn't for these threads calling out SJW stuff I'd never even know there was a problem with most of the series this "problem" occurs in.

The issue is that it's not good TV. Their job is to make decent TV, not to pander to minorities and women by crow-barring in Mary Sue characters that make them feel "represented in media".

I could go into the wider socio-political issues of the regressive left, third wave feminism, and the rather disgusting move towards bigotry toward white men in an attempt to appear "progressive", but something tells me people here aren't receptive to it and I'm not interested in wasting my time. Frankly I'm counting down how long it takes before I get called a Nazi. Because apparently everyone's a Nazi now if they even slightly criticise the regressive left-wing.

Now, go back and actually read my post, rather than insinuating that I have a problem with "coloured people on the screen". I wrote a 4 paragraph long post explaining in detail my problem with the show. Actually read it and if you disagree, argue against my actual point. You claim to not know what the issue even is, well, you'd know if you'd actually read my post wouldn't you.

Edit: I was quick to judge, assuming the moderators where deleting posts, turns out it was just a glitch. No harm done.

BUT BUT BUT ITS NOT TEH MAIN CHARACHTER AND AND AND HES PROPAPLY GAY OR EVIL

(If you still want the opinion even though it will likely continue to be about 75% contrary to yours [especially regarding Burnham], I'll gladly resume posting after the field is level again i.e. the dicks have stopped sticking out. Bonus advantage: I may have watched episode 3 that I put so many hopes in. Please don't get the discussion closed in the meantime just because the expected happens)

If a moderator deletes something they usually contact you with a warning. If posts are being deleted without a moderator contacting you - then it's an abuse of certain forum features. A person can downvote you and then report as spam. Enough people use report as spam and your post is deleted. The entire process is largely automated.

It was a system designed to let us forum members deal with spammers during GoG's off hours. Unfortunately there are certain groups that abuse that and use it to delete posts and even entire threads they don't like.

Well if that was what happened my response was reinstated within a couple of minutes. I'm happy to presume it was just a glitch for now. But it is a shame when mainstream libertarian politics ends up getting treated like a controversial position and it's advocates treated like neo-nazis.

I mean, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But Donald Trump was fairly elected. Even if you don't like him, you can't honestly call his politics "fringe". The politics that won the election is the definition of mainstream, but I say I'm a Trump supporter and everyone loses their shit... no-one reacted like that if you said you where an Obama supporter.

I'm not even American, I'm British and I'm not conservative... I vote for the Green Party. I just think there are certain issues in American politics that the American left-wing are getting very wrong. That they resort to censorship, violence, and fascism all while claiming to be anti-fascist (Seriously Antifa should be considered domestic terrorists at this point). When the American left wing has such a stranglehold on Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and most major News and Media networks, including games companies... you end up with this reactionary, hateful, "social justice", spite filled media and it's ruining films, TV shows, video games; and general media. You only need to look at the Cuphead fiasco to see what I mean. People criticise a games journalist for being utterly unqualified to do his job, and the rest of the games media call out those critical of that journalist as the "racist trolls responsible for giving Donald Trump the White house". It's pathetic.

Now, don't get me wrong, if people like the new Star Trek, if they get enjoyment out of it; good for them. I think it's terribly written, terribly shot, and has an air of SJW politics about it that makes it difficult to watch because it feels judgemental and as though it's pushing an ulterior motive. I've even heard some sources claim the Klingon's where designed to mirror Trump supporters, with their chant of 'Remain Klingon' supposed to be representative of the motto "Make America Great Again" *. You can't character assassinate half the American voting population and expect no backlash. The world doesn't work that way.

The fact is, a very regressive left wing authoritarian media centre in California is using Star Trek as a way to lash out at the American right wing, and virtue signal to the SJW vocal minority and they're ruining the name of a classic sci-fi franchise in order to spread their bullshit that won't even be relevant in 10 years. That's not acceptable.

* https://www.salon.com/2017/09/22/star-trek-discovery-creators-our-klingons-are-secretly-trumpsters/

When a nation's politics are as corrupt and divisive as America's are, this is to be expected.

Uh, the definition of mainstream is what the majority tends to think and the majority did *not* vote for Trump.

Trek against Trump
September 29th, 2016

Star Trek has always offered a positive vision of the future, a vision of hope and optimism, and most importantly, a vision of inclusion, where people of all races are accorded equal respect and dignity, where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others. We cannot turn our backs on what is happening in the upcoming election. Never has there been a presidential candidate who stands in such complete opposition to the ideals of the Star Trek universe as Donald Trump. His election would take this country backward, perhaps disastrously. We need to elect a president who will move this country forward into the kind of future we all dream of: where personal differences are understood and accepted, where science overrules superstition, where people work together instead of against each other.

The resolution of conflicts on Star Trek was never easy. Don’t remain aloof –vote! We have heard people say they will vote Green or Libertarian or not at all because the two major candidates are equally flawed. That is both illogical and inaccurate. Either Secretary Clinton or Mr. Trump will occupy the White House. One is an amateur with a contemptuous ignorance of national laws and international realities, while the other has devoted her life to public service, and has deep and valuable experience with the proven ability to work with Congress to pass desperately needed legislation. If, as some say, the government is broken, a protest vote will not fix it.

Have you just turned 18? Have you moved? Have you never voted before? Some states have early registration (early October) and/or absentee ballots. You can’t vote if you are not registered. So make it so. Go to rockthevote.com , a non-profit, non-partisan organization, and fulfill your civic duty. Because, damn it, you are a citizen of the USA, with an obligation to take part in our democracy! Do this not merely for yourself but for all the generations that follow. Vote for a future of enlightenment and inclusion, a future that will someday lead us to the stars.

Endorsed by:

J.J. Abrams
Allan Apone
Richard Arnold
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Scott Bakula
Ira Steven Behr
Rick Berman
John Billingsley
Christopher Black
Paula Block
Paul Boehmer
André Bormanis
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LeVar Burton
Terri Potts-Chattaway
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Mimi Cozzens
Denise Crosby
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John DeMita
Chris Doohan
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Terry Erdmann
Terry Farrell
Lolita Fatjo
David C. Fein
Juan Carlos Fernandez
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Bryan Fuller
Dave Galanter
Tim Gaskill
David Gerrold
Robert Greenberger
Bruce Greenwood
Max Grodénchik
Martha Hackett
Glenn Hauman
Manu Intiraymi
Michael Jan Friedman
Dominic Keating
John Knoll
Walter Koenig
Alex Kurtzman
Judith Levitt
Jeff Lewis
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Robert O'Reilly
Linda Park
Leslie Parrish
Robb Pearlman
Simon Pegg
Randy Pflug
Ethan Phillips
Robert Picardo
Sandra Piller
Chris Pine
Emmett Plant
Zachary Quinto
Michael Reisz
Andrew Robinson
Eugene & Heidi Roddenberry
Marvin Rush
Tim Russ
Zoe Saldana
Ralph Senensky
Naren Shankar
Armin Shimerman
Gregory Smith
Brent Spiner
Rick Sternbach
Peter Sternlicht
Eric Stillwell
Jay Stobie
Sandy Stone
Carel Struycken
Marina Sirtis
Michael Sussman
Kitty Swink
George Takei
Michael Taylor
Hallie Todd Withrow
Connor Trinneer
Karl Urban
Wil Wheaton
Herman Zimmerman

I have to admit that when I watched it, none of the stuff people here are mentioning like the "SJW-progressive agenda/Klingons are Trump supporters" are things I noticed. To me, all I was struck with was how unlike Star Trek it felt. Looking back I can see how others would see those things, but is it really worth arguing over? Sci-fi has always been a vehicle for examining issues of the day. That doesn't make it good or bad, it just is.

Well, damage control is starting quite early. Starting to put a political banner on a TV series to gain support, because they fucked up the Star Trek universe. This is just sad.

But we never had a Star Trek main protagonist of the Federation starting a intergalactic conflict out of hate for a species, very progressive. That is something to look forward and up to, right? But hte Klingons were just a metaphor for Trump supporters according to the director, so that is ok then.

That fits really well into the overall tone of former Star Trek series and should show us how regressive those so called progressives really are.

"The majority" didn't vote for Clinton, either. All she got was a majority of the people who held their noses and voted.

Anyone who really wants to know why we're stuck with a shitstain like Trump should look at the fact that Clinton lost the entire Rust Belt, which used to be solid Blue -- not because of her incredibly high negatives, or racism, but because the Democrats have done nothing for a region that is economically depressed. Sanders had a lot more to offer than Clinton or Trump, but the party leadership wasn't interested in running the strongest candidate, so it lost -- and has only itself to blame.