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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I don't know if they have, but even if they haven't, one thing remains certain either way: EGS most definitely has a vastly bigger marketshare than GOG does. GOG is nothing compared to EGS in terms of having a paying userbase.
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tfishell: Is it understandable that GOG hardly get any mainstream AAA games here, and there's not much they can do about that?

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GODINHO93: Why you think gog is for a niche audience?
For what i read in some forums even on reddit some people use GOG like a primary platform.
GOG in some years can be another steam if modern games continue like this (tons of DLC, NFT's and microtransitions) the old players are sick and tired of modern games (myself too) and thats why i make a account here to play old games and relieve some moments from the past.
For example if we one day get here the 3d era GTA's the nostalgia will be huge like the PS2 times and that is what make GOG unique.
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tfishell: GOG makes something like 40 million a year compared to Steam's billions a year, and has like a 1-5% marketshare (although we don't get much sales data) compared to Steam's 50-75%.
Dont foget steam make billions because the steam market, CSGO skins and TF2 hats and cosmetics.
GOG makes money only from games so it's abit unfair to compare what they make in a year.
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StingingVelvet: Because the average user wants all their games and social connections on one platform for convenience reasons. That's why Valve had the strategy they did early on, boosting their numbers as fast as possible with "free" Steamworks for developers and tons of sales.

Epic is playing a massive game of catch up and while their freebies and such might get them attention, I still see zero reason for anyone to CHOOSE Epic over Steam if all other things are equal (price, etc.).

GOG is a niche platform for a niche audience, which they recently seem to have accepted (again).
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GODINHO93: Why you think gog is for a niche audience?
For what i read in some forums even on reddit some people use GOG like a primary platform.
GOG in some years can be another steam if modern games continue like this (tons of DLC, NFT's and microtransitions) the old players are sick and tired of modern games (myself too) and thats why i make a account here to play old games and relieve some moments from the past.
For example if we one day get here the 3d era GTA's the nostalgia will be huge like the PS2 times and that is what make GOG unique.
GOG is definitely niche because its main selling point is DRM-free which is a pretty niche concept lets be honest. I doubt that the majority or even the vast majority understands what DRM is or why they should care. Steam is the mainstream given how prominent it is. Getting into modern PC gaming, I had barely heard of GOG and had to do research on what DRM-free actually meant (and why I would want it). Given that most people likely start out gaming because their friends are and join through word of mouth, most new users are probably joining Steam or Epic. Combine that with the absolute lack of AAA titles, GOG is the RC Cola to Steams Coke and Epics Pepsi.

It is true that AAA gaming is killing itself with microtransactions, DLC, and other means to extract money by sacrificing good gameplay but that wont necessarily bring GOG to the forefront because even the very popular indie games arnt coming to GOG on release (Hades for example). That might change as the tides shift but who knows.

I dont think GOG will become a major player until there is a big shift in the landscape regarding DRM, some event where a ton of users lose access to a ton of games because of DRM limitations that causes such a stir that the industry needs to respond. Then again, there are still users who believe steam DRM is not intrusive.
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GODINHO93: Why you think gog is for a niche audience?
For what i read in some forums even on reddit some people use GOG like a primary platform.
GOG in some years can be another steam if modern games continue like this (tons of DLC, NFT's and microtransitions) the old players are sick and tired of modern games (myself too) and thats why i make a account here to play old games and relieve some moments from the past.
For example if we one day get here the 3d era GTA's the nostalgia will be huge like the PS2 times and that is what make GOG unique.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: GOG is definitely niche because its main selling point is DRM-free which is a pretty niche concept lets be honest. I doubt that the majority or even the vast majority understands what DRM is or why they should care. Steam is the mainstream given how prominent it is. Getting into modern PC gaming, I had barely heard of GOG and had to do research on what DRM-free actually meant (and why I would want it). Given that most people likely start out gaming because their friends are and join through word of mouth, most new users are probably joining Steam or Epic. Combine that with the absolute lack of AAA titles, GOG is the RC Cola to Steams Coke and Epics Pepsi.

It is true that AAA gaming is killing itself with microtransactions, DLC, and other means to extract money by sacrificing good gameplay but that wont necessarily bring GOG to the forefront because even the very popular indie games arnt coming to GOG on release (Hades for example). That might change as the tides shift but who knows.

I dont think GOG will become a major player until there is a big shift in the landscape regarding DRM, some event where a ton of users lose access to a ton of games because of DRM limitations that causes such a stir that the industry needs to respond. Then again, there are still users who believe steam DRM is not intrusive.
Do you think GOG will become like steam and Epic and use DRM and DRM-Free?
If they become the two will get more people i think.
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GODINHO93: Do you think GOG will become like steam and Epic and use DRM and DRM-Free?
If they become the two will get more people i think.
GOG allowing DRM to sell more AAA stuff will just make them a Steam copy, and they can't buy exclusives like Epic, which means they would literally have nothing to set themselves apart. Better to stick with their niche and make it as profitable as possible.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: GOG is definitely niche because its main selling point is DRM-free which is a pretty niche concept lets be honest. I doubt that the majority or even the vast majority understands what DRM is or why they should care. Steam is the mainstream given how prominent it is. Getting into modern PC gaming, I had barely heard of GOG and had to do research on what DRM-free actually meant (and why I would want it). Given that most people likely start out gaming because their friends are and join through word of mouth, most new users are probably joining Steam or Epic. Combine that with the absolute lack of AAA titles, GOG is the RC Cola to Steams Coke and Epics Pepsi.

It is true that AAA gaming is killing itself with microtransactions, DLC, and other means to extract money by sacrificing good gameplay but that wont necessarily bring GOG to the forefront because even the very popular indie games arnt coming to GOG on release (Hades for example). That might change as the tides shift but who knows.

I dont think GOG will become a major player until there is a big shift in the landscape regarding DRM, some event where a ton of users lose access to a ton of games because of DRM limitations that causes such a stir that the industry needs to respond. Then again, there are still users who believe steam DRM is not intrusive.
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GODINHO93: Do you think GOG will become like steam and Epic and use DRM and DRM-Free?
If they become the two will get more people i think.
Eh, I doubt it. Its a difficult predicament but GOG may benefit from remaining niche.

Be like steam adding DRM to court AAA games wont work. There isnt a big incentive for studios to publish on GOG. The audience is much smaller and more vocal. Look at the fall out for Hitman when it came to GOG. Not saying the fall out wasnt warranted but publishers would rather have drones that buy and consume.

Epic provides many advantages to court devs for exclusivity. Contracts that guarantee some money, a rising user base that makes it more likely for users to buy, and discounts if publishing a game using the unreal engine. Given how big Unreal 5 is and the rising number of devs outsourcing their dev engine and using Unreal 5, Epic's advantage here is only going to grow.

Again, the only advantage GOG has is its niche of DRM-free. I do think GOG and CDPR should capitalize on this more by adding DRM to their steam and possibly Epic versions, making it such that if you want a DRM-free version, come to GOG. Hell, if they made Cyberpunk GOG only, that would have been a huge boom to GOG numbers given how hyped CP2077 was (although the fallout would have been even worse so maybe good idea not to).
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GODINHO93: Do you think GOG will become like steam and Epic and use DRM and DRM-Free?
If they become the two will get more people i think.
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StingingVelvet: GOG allowing DRM to sell more AAA stuff will just make them a Steam copy, and they can't buy exclusives like Epic, which means they would literally have nothing to set themselves apart. Better to stick with their niche and make it as profitable as possible.
Then they need to do like steam make their games only on GOG platform.
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GODINHO93: Do you think GOG will become like steam and Epic and use DRM and DRM-Free?
If they become the two will get more people i think.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: Eh, I doubt it. Its a difficult predicament but GOG may benefit from remaining niche.

Be like steam adding DRM to court AAA games wont work. There isnt a big incentive for studios to publish on GOG. The audience is much smaller and more vocal. Look at the fall out for Hitman when it came to GOG. Not saying the fall out wasnt warranted but publishers would rather have drones that buy and consume.

Epic provides many advantages to court devs for exclusivity. Contracts that guarantee some money, a rising user base that makes it more likely for users to buy, and discounts if publishing a game using the unreal engine. Given how big Unreal 5 is and the rising number of devs outsourcing their dev engine and using Unreal 5, Epic's advantage here is only going to grow.

Again, the only advantage GOG has is its niche of DRM-free. I do think GOG and CDPR should capitalize on this more by adding DRM to their steam and possibly Epic versions, making it such that if you want a DRM-free version, come to GOG. Hell, if they made Cyberpunk GOG only, that would have been a huge boom to GOG numbers given how hyped CP2077 was (although the fallout would have been even worse so maybe good idea not to).
Ye Epic have money and money buys anything this days. I know they give free games but for me i will not support exclusives deals whit games should be in all platforms. if they stay doing this i will never create a account on Epic. On steam maybe i will create account because i want to play Asseto Corsa Competizione and i think this game will never be here on GOG.
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I am quite excited to hear the news. It is coming on August 12, 2022 to PC. @babark, why are you not excited about the release.
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I was happy to hear the news about it being on PC soon. I played it on Playstation when a friend let me borrow his copy, and I have been itching to replay it eventually. Definitely an excellent game to encase the Spider-Man feel and spirit.
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GODINHO93: Ye Epic have money and money buys anything this days. I know they give free games but for me i will not support exclusives deals whit games should be in all platforms. if they stay doing this i will never create a account on Epic. On steam maybe i will create account because i want to play Asseto Corsa Competizione and i think this game will never be here on GOG.
What a double standard. Boo, Epic is bad because they have exclusives and are using their money to break a monopoly. Lets not forget that Steam also has their fair share of exclusives but no one makes a fuss about that.

When are all the final fantasies coming out on GOG or Epic? The SNES final fantasies are old games and make more sense on GOG. What about Chrono Trigger, Nier Automata, Half Life, Counter Strike, etc. The only one of the 3 major storefronts that dont make their games exclusive is CDPR with Witcher and Cyberpunk.

Exclusives have also always been a market tactic in the gaming industry. Consoles have exclusives, PC, etc. Steam had alot of success with their exclusives, steam first taking off because users needed to install steam to be able to play their exclusive game Half Life 2. If you dont support Epic for having exclusives, dont support Epic either or admit you really dont care about the exclusive argument.
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I played it on PS4. It was an enjoyable game but a step down from the Arkham games. Having to pause combat entirely to switch gadgets. Villains being rushed out of the way. Awful stealth sections and jarring forced character changes were the low point. Other than that there are some bland collectathon stuff going on. Simple traversal carries the game so hard.
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GODINHO93: Ye Epic have money and money buys anything this days. I know they give free games but for me i will not support exclusives deals whit games should be in all platforms. if they stay doing this i will never create a account on Epic. On steam maybe i will create account because i want to play Asseto Corsa Competizione and i think this game will never be here on GOG.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: What a double standard. Boo, Epic is bad because they have exclusives and are using their money to break a monopoly. Lets not forget that Steam also has their fair share of exclusives but no one makes a fuss about that.

When are all the final fantasies coming out on GOG or Epic? The SNES final fantasies are old games and make more sense on GOG. What about Chrono Trigger, Nier Automata, Half Life, Counter Strike, etc. The only one of the 3 major storefronts that dont make their games exclusive is CDPR with Witcher and Cyberpunk.

Exclusives have also always been a market tactic in the gaming industry. Consoles have exclusives, PC, etc. Steam had alot of success with their exclusives, steam first taking off because users needed to install steam to be able to play their exclusive game Half Life 2. If you dont support Epic for having exclusives, dont support Epic either or admit you really dont care about the exclusive argument.
Yes you are right. Do you use Epic?
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FallenHeroX1: I played it on PS4. It was an enjoyable game but a step down from the Arkham games. Having to pause combat entirely to switch gadgets. Villains being rushed out of the way. Awful stealth sections and jarring forced character changes were the low point. Other than that there are some bland collectathon stuff going on. Simple traversal carries the game so hard.
Felt the same for me, I played it on my bro's Ps4, it felt a little Ubisofty, with all the scattered things the map had, the crafting and whatnot(towers...), nonetheless I won't say no to this one. I've been waiting for it to relase for pc since it came out, so when it comes out in here it will be an insta buy from me.

On the other hand the web swinging could be way better, Tasm2(2014) swinging was great, Shattered Dimensions(2010) the same, but the highlights(for me at least) were Web of Shadows(2008) and the old Spidy games, as one(2000) and two(2002). This one felt like a step backwards in that regard. Even TASM(2012) swinging was cool, this one felt to 'handed', to easy.

Same for the combant. To simple in my opinion; Edge of Time's(2011) was sick, Web of Shadows was way out of its time, this one felt to 'normal', even Shattered Dimension's had an enjoyable combat with cool combos and attacks. The gadget stuff is annoying as hell, but the suits are really well done, you could say that this game's beauty and appeal is on its simplicity, characters and graphics.

You could argue realisim or whatnot, but Spidy is first and foremost a comic book character, same as Bats. Nonetheless I am gonna buy it, after what? almost eight years without a Spidy game on pc? Maybe more? I won't loose the chance to get it.

Note: The dates are put merely for reference, if anyone is curious about the older games relase and all that stuff, a quick search will put you up to date. So you can see the ups and downs of every game. Also grammar.
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Man, I would be absolutely happy with Shattered Dimensions showing up here...
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: What a double standard. Boo, Epic is bad because they have exclusives and are using their money to break a monopoly. Lets not forget that Steam also has their fair share of exclusives but no one makes a fuss about that.

When are all the final fantasies coming out on GOG or Epic? The SNES final fantasies are old games and make more sense on GOG. What about Chrono Trigger, Nier Automata, Half Life, Counter Strike, etc. The only one of the 3 major storefronts that dont make their games exclusive is CDPR with Witcher and Cyberpunk.

Exclusives have also always been a market tactic in the gaming industry. Consoles have exclusives, PC, etc. Steam had alot of success with their exclusives, steam first taking off because users needed to install steam to be able to play their exclusive game Half Life 2. If you dont support Epic for having exclusives, dont support Epic either or admit you really dont care about the exclusive argument.
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GODINHO93: Yes you are right. Do you use Epic?
Ofcourse. Cant pass up free games, a couple of which are also AAA that I missed out on since I couldnt game for a while. I do also have a steam account.

I take issue with alot of what Epic does (stronger DRM in some cases with Kingdom Hearts, money coming from Fortnite lootboxes, etc.) so Im not a fan but I do think its ridiculous that many people give Steam a pass for doing similar stuff. Valve introduced lootboxes with Team Fortress 2 back in 2010. They are incredibly anti-ownership, refusing to allow refunds and were essentially forced to kicking and screaming the entire way.

I get why people want everything on steam. It has a decent UI and people want to have everything on one platform. The problem is this creates a monopoly where steam can basically dictate everything which will inevitably make things worse for the consumer. Steam can raise prices, refuse to give discounts, force harsher DRM, and remove games from the store and we can just suck it since there are few to no alternatives. An unregulated monopoly is never a good thing.

I dont want Epic to become a monopoly either. I just get tired of seeing the narrative of every other game company is evil but Valve is our friend.
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GODINHO93: Yes you are right. Do you use Epic?
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: Ofcourse. Cant pass up free games, a couple of which are also AAA that I missed out on since I couldnt game for a while. I do also have a steam account.

I take issue with alot of what Epic does (stronger DRM in some cases with Kingdom Hearts, money coming from Fortnite lootboxes, etc.) so Im not a fan but I do think its ridiculous that many people give Steam a pass for doing similar stuff. Valve introduced lootboxes with Team Fortress 2 back in 2010. They are incredibly anti-ownership, refusing to allow refunds and were essentially forced to kicking and screaming the entire way.

I get why people want everything on steam. It has a decent UI and people want to have everything on one platform. The problem is this creates a monopoly where steam can basically dictate everything which will inevitably make things worse for the consumer. Steam can raise prices, refuse to give discounts, force harsher DRM, and remove games from the store and we can just suck it since there are few to no alternatives. An unregulated monopoly is never a good thing.

I dont want Epic to become a monopoly either. I just get tired of seeing the narrative of every other game company is evil but Valve is our friend.
People like Steam because they are the begin of PC Gaming, they create a must have platform for all PC Gamers. They use exclusives but its from them, Epic on otherside use third-party exclusives and that its what make people angry. For example the new Saints Row is exclusive on Epic, WRC franchise was exclusive too for one year. This moves make Epic not cool. It's my opinion and it's not whit free games they will get me.
Post edited June 13, 2022 by GODINHO93