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barleyguy: The difference between strong atheism and weak atheism is the level of faith. A strong atheist has faith in his/her belief that there is no god. Just like a strong theist has faith in their belief that their definitely is a god.
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Arteveld: Ohm, then let's add "medium", "true", "hardcore" and such? Come on, "i'm a level 10 atheist, therefore i'm more faithful than you"? Levels of faith are dumb.;P
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barleyguy: It does not mean they are stupid. Many strong atheists are aware that they are taking a faith position, just as many theists are aware that they are taking a faith position. Often that position of faith comes from a particular set of life experiences that "proves" to a particular person that there must or must not be a god.

That's not what i've said, please read in the context of what was said, and what i've commented, which was Navagon's: "Strong atheists claim outright that there is no god. Weak atheists simply don't have any belief in god(s). "
Thank You.

Sorry for misunderstanding what you were saying. I thought that you were implying that all strong atheists are fools.
BTW, as far as atheism not being a religion as someone else said, there are in fact organized groups of atheists. What is the criteria for being a religion?
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Cambrey: Because you think you had an "effective communication" ?. lol. Whatever makes you happy.

No, I think it was a horrible mess because of the abandonment thereof. It takes two to tango, so to speak. And, to extend the analogy, if your partner has two left feet then you're not going to fare too well either.
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barleyguy: Sorry for misunderstanding what you were saying. I thought that you were implying that all strong atheists are fools.

Glad we've got that sorted. ;)
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barleyguy: BTW, as far as atheism not being a religion as someone else said, there are in fact organized groups of atheists. What is the criteria for being a religion?

Well, hm, i'll throw a link too, i guess.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/497082/religion
Basically, relligion =/= a state of faith, theism and atheism are not relligions, Christianity, Catholicism, Protestantism, for example, are.
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Navagon: No, I think it was a horrible mess because of the abandonment thereof. It takes two to tango, so to speak. And, to extend the analogy, if your partner has two left feet then you're not going to fare too well either.

Nothing of that would have happened if you didn't throw your wiki page in my face. You are the one tried to act smart and poorly tried to convince me, not the other way around. Debate with your own ideas next time, your own experience.
I like this one.
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Arteveld: What are those? I mean, goodwill aspects that are Catholic, and not Christian?

Oh, I didn't mean it that way. I just prefer Catholicism.
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Navagon: Belief. That's what it comes down to. Anyone that shaky clearly lacks belief. They may not want to admit it. In fact, if they're that shaky, I'd be amazed if they did admit it. But it doesn't change anything.
They could go to church every Sunday, but if they're completely unconvinced either way then they clearly don't believe there is a god.

I don't know about that. Not being convinced by the christian faith, or any other that you've come across, is not the same thing as believing there is no God.
As for myself, I think the existence of one or more gods is just as unlikely as the idea that there aren't any gods whatsoever. Neither alternative makes any sense at all to me. So I just go with the C64.
Post edited February 09, 2010 by Zeewolf
Strong atheist.
I worship Gork and Mork, ya gitz
Otherwise, Strong Atheist
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Navagon: Weak atheist.

That.
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Cambrey: Nothing of that would have happened if you didn't throw your wiki page in my face. You are the one tried to act smart and poorly tried to convince me, not the other way around. Debate with your own ideas next time, your own experience.

I will happily debate my own ideas and experiences on subjects, including this one. But that does not extend to definitions of long established words.
For instance: I also used to think that agnosticism was a religious stance, rather than a philosophical one. I was corrected on that. And I accepted that and changed my opinion on the matter accordingly. What I did not do was say "Oh yeah? Well I've got my own language which has different definitions to yours.".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahai
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Zeewolf: I don't know about that. Not being convinced by the christian faith, or any other that you've come across, is not the same thing as believing there is no God.
As for myself, I think the existence of one or more gods is just as unlikely as the idea that there aren't any gods whatsoever. Neither alternative makes any sense at all to me. So I just go with the C64.

Agreed. To be clear I was referring to belief in god(s) as opposed to organised religion. Perhaps mentioning attending church confused that point.
Essentially you would seem to fall into the weak atheist category, as I do. You don't have any belief in a god. You just don't see the absence of a god to make any more sense. Which is intellectually honest. We don't know of our origins and there's no point in pretending we're going to solve that little conundrum any time soon.
I am a member of internetianism, I believe that the world's knowledge can be found through google, wikipedia, and newsgroups.
Strong Atheist.
I have one curious question for the Theists, about their god or gods:
in your opinion, in what form/design do you rationalize the existence of it/he/she? how does it "look like" for you?
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carlosjuero: ...and the direction some posts in this thread have gone is exactly why most public forums do not allow the discussion of Religion. Its a hot button topic that can often degenerate very badly.

True. But it is interesting to know more about the community here, in a respectful manner of course.