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I believe in the large invisible man in the sky who loves to torment me with a handful of rubber bands. And they hurt.
...they hurt alot.
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anjohl: My trolling is painfully bad.
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Navagon: I agree.

Your asshole is sore from my complete decimation of your pathetic attempt at stating an argument?
Religious faith exists on a spectrum, with Atheist at one end, theism on the other, agnosticism in between.
FACT. That's as certain as the fact that water is wet, and that you are an immature brat who can't handle being proven wrong, repeatedly.
BTW, are all the other people who owned you trolling as well fucktard?
WHOA WHOA WHOA ...Calm down kid. Tis the internets.
Threads like these always go straight to hell (no pun intended). Lets keep this a 'classy' community guys.
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anjohl: I know full well the correct definitions of words as I can easily look them up. However, I am instead inclined to post common misconceptions with a typically misplaced sense of arrogance and authority on the subject in a deliberately inflammatory manner. This is all in an attempt to provoke the very flame wars I so frequently lie about not wanting to be a part of. I call this .process *trolling*.

You're such a special little snowflake, you know that?
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anjohl: I know full well the correct definitions of words as I can easily look them up. However, I am instead inclined to post common misconceptions with a typically misplaced sense of arrogance and authority on the subject in a deliberately inflammatory manner. This is all in an attempt to provoke the very flame wars I so frequently lie about not wanting to be a part of. I call this .process *trolling*.
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Navagon: You're such a special little snowflake, you know that?

I lol'd. Though I did that even without the edit. Because whether or not he is serious, he just seems like a very arrogant and stupid apatheist, which by his definition could be regarded as a religion in itself. Particularly by the way of his "arguments".
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I have to say, though, I agree with the "active exclusion" method mentioned in that link.
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By the hells, the edit function completely borks the quotations.
Post edited February 17, 2010 by sheepdragon
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sheepdragon: I lol'd. Though I did that even without the edit. Because whether or not he is serious, he just seems like a very arrogant and stupid apatheist, which by his definition could be regarded as a religion in itself. Particularly by the way of his "arguments".
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I have to say, though, I agree with the "active exclusion" method mentioned in that link.
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By the hells, the edit function completely borks the quotations.

Sometimes the quotations work perfectly, but that's certainly the least frequent outcome.

Apatheism was introduced to me earlier in this thread. I've got to admit it does make a lot of sense on the whole. I don't know if it's practical, given human nature though. But it's nice in theory and no doubt it works for some people.
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sheepdragon: I lol'd. Though I did that even without the edit. Because whether or not he is serious, he just seems like a very arrogant and stupid apatheist, which by his definition could be regarded as a religion in itself. Particularly by the way of his "arguments".
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I have to say, though, I agree with the "active exclusion" method mentioned in that link.
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By the hells, the edit function completely borks the quotations.
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Navagon: Sometimes the quotations work perfectly, but that's certainly the least frequent outcome.
Apatheism was introduced to me earlier in this thread. I've got to admit it does make a lot of sense on the whole. I don't know if it's practical, given human nature though. But it's nice in theory and no doubt it works for some people.

Nothing would work in practice for you, because you are a stupid, naive, immature brat whose only joy in life is twisting other people's words to reflect his own hollow, empty, and largely meaningless existance.
If I *WAS* religious, I would pray for you. Since I am not, I pity you.
Atheist.
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sheepdragon: I lol'd. Though I did that even without the edit. Because whether or not he is serious, he just seems like a very arrogant and stupid apatheist, which by his definition could be regarded as a religion in itself. Particularly by the way of his "arguments".

Apatheism sounds close to my overal worldview regarding religion, sure.
But the swimming pool is a lot deeper than that, and you will want a stronger rope than a wiki to get down there.
I have stated before, when using the popular definition, I am VERY arrogant. The reason for this is because I don't believe in humility. In fact, I don't believe in ANYTHING, but humility I actively scorn. If I have a talent or ability, I will not waste energy hiding it or downplaying it.
So, to an individual only used to being around people who all agree on this ridiculous mutual "social contract" of medicority, I will come off as aloof, arrogant, a jerk, etc.
Now, I am 1/3 of those above all the time, and 2/3's more than enough. But, to paint me with your broad brush as a "troll" illustrates a glaring lack of observation. I have intentionally posted comments on this site to incite a reaction TWICE, and TWICE only.
Post edited February 17, 2010 by anjohl
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anjohl: Apatheism sounds close to my overal worldview regarding religion, sure.
But the swimming pool is a lot deeper than that, and you will want a stronger rope than a wiki to get down there.
I have stated before, when using the popular definition, I am VERY arrogant. The reason for this is because I don't believe in humility. In fact, I don't believe in ANYTHING, but humility I actively scorn. If I have a talent or ability, I will not waste energy hiding it or downplaying it.
So, to an individual only used to being around people who all agree on this ridiculous mutual "social contract" of medicority, I will come off as aloof, arrogant, a jerk, etc.
Now, I am 1/3 of those above all the time, and 2/3's more than enough. But, to paint me with your broad brush as a "troll" illustrates a glaring lack of observation. I have intentionally posted comments on this site to incite a reaction TWICE, and TWICE only.

It's hard to tell when someone is acting very aggressively, but I do agree on some points of what you say.
True agnosticism do exist. But I find it very close to apatheism, in the way that agnosticism can, in a very simple way, be summed up with "I don't know", and that apatheism is "I don't know, and I don't care". Some people consider themselves agnostic, but are actually deists, but it's all a question of definition, which is then igtheism. With all this different labels, the "strong" and "weak" atheism labels are basically redundant.
I don't dwell much on it, but when I think into it, I would overall consider myself an atheist, as in that I don't see anything that directly proves the existence of a deity, and that there are several things that mankind will probably still discover, and many more that we probably won't, but that can turn both ways, and beyond that I don't actually care. Which in the end actually makes me an apatheist, with a strong distaste to any major organised religion, because of what it can do to people. Yay, definitions. And I could still go on, if I could be bothered.
So, I think I actually agree with you on several points, apart from interpretations I would call more personal.
By the way, the wiki was just for the definitions, as they usually get that right, and I won't have to start explaining it in my half-assed manner.
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Oh, and I never said anything about humility. You should never hold back, but that doesn't mean you have to be an asshole, and start insulting when people don't understand what you mean with your statements. By doing so, you make yourself seem less credible, and easy to brush aside as a troll.
Post edited February 18, 2010 by sheepdragon
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anjohl: Apatheism sounds close to my overal worldview regarding religion, sure.
But the swimming pool is a lot deeper than that, and you will want a stronger rope than a wiki to get down there.
I have stated before, when using the popular definition, I am VERY arrogant. The reason for this is because I don't believe in humility. In fact, I don't believe in ANYTHING, but humility I actively scorn. If I have a talent or ability, I will not waste energy hiding it or downplaying it.
So, to an individual only used to being around people who all agree on this ridiculous mutual "social contract" of medicority, I will come off as aloof, arrogant, a jerk, etc.
Now, I am 1/3 of those above all the time, and 2/3's more than enough. But, to paint me with your broad brush as a "troll" illustrates a glaring lack of observation. I have intentionally posted comments on this site to incite a reaction TWICE, and TWICE only.
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sheepdragon: It's hard to tell when someone is acting very aggressively, but I do agree on some points of what you say.
True agnosticism do exist. But I find it very close to apatheism, in the way that agnosticism can, in a very simple way, be summed up with "I don't know", and that apatheism is "I don't know, and I don't care". Some people consider themselves agnostic, but are actually deists, but it's all a question of definition, which is then igtheism. With all this different labels, the "strong" and "weak" atheism labels are basically redundant.
I don't dwell much on it, but when I think into it, I would overall consider myself an atheist, as in that I don't see anything that directly proves the existence of a deity, and that there are several things that mankind will probably still discover, and many more that we probably won't, but that can turn both ways, and beyond that I don't actually care. Which in the end actually makes me an apatheist, with a strong distaste to any major organised religion, because of what it can do to people. Yay, definitions. And I could still go on, if I could be bothered.
So, I think I actually agree with you on several points, apart from interpretations I would call more personal.
By the way, the wiki was just for the definitions, as they usually get that right, and I won't have to start explaining it in my half-assed manner.
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Oh, and I never said anything about humility. You should never hold back, but that doesn't mean you have to be an asshole, and start insulting when people don't understand what you mean with your statements. By doing so, you make yourself seem less credible, and easy to brush aside as a troll.

I am not an apatheist then, if the idea is "I don't know, and I don't care". I am curious, but only curious. If an answer is unknowable, the question is irrelevant, and is therefore of no consequence. The entire human perception of god is a construct INTENDED to defy logic/rationality by design. If "god" were anything lesser, it would not be god, would it?
Cat's create gods too. They are called people.
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anjohl: I am not an apatheist then, if the idea is "I don't know, and I don't care". I am curious, but only curious. If an answer is unknowable, the question is irrelevant, and is therefore of no consequence. The entire human perception of god is a construct INTENDED to defy logic/rationality by design. If "god" were anything lesser, it would not be god, would it?
Cat's create gods too. They are called people.

"I don't know, and I don't care" was an oversimplification, but there's more to it. Some might say that that's it, but others might take the approach of apatheism as a way of saying that religion is inconclusive, and therefore should not be any form of major institution, because of its ability to cause rifts and hostility between them. Curiosity doesn't seem to be a direct part of it, but is not something that is actively disregarded and may thus be taken beside it, as long as one is not consumed by it. Because, as you said, the answer is unknowable, the consequences irrelevant, and is therefore for of no consequence, which especially applies when all these people have different conclusion, but not one of them fare any better or worse because of it.
Having lived around cats my entire life, I wouldn't say that they create gods, but rather train slaves. But in a way, that fits as well. There have been times when religious leaders have changed the interpretations of texts to fit their views into other people.
I'm a Discordian. :))))
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Christian, in my way