It was acceptable in the eighties.

Heads up: Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles is canned. That sucked, even though I hated the show (and many others did as well), you'd think there would be higher ratings because you know, Summer Glau is hot.

So, who has seen it?
I've seen it last night (released this week in France), and I'm really happy about it.
Sure it does not have the art style of Cameron, but as it takes place in another period, the break with the first two's directing is not bad imo. It was for the third, but not for this one.
So, yeah, it's pure action with a pretty thin (but enjoyable) story, but, hell, this IS good action, brutal and very intense.
Some regrets:
- even if I really like Marcus, I'm not sure he was intended to be the main character, but he really is, John Connor is sometimes relayed at the second plan.
- some action scenes are too long, especially at times where we expect to see more character development.
Overall, I think this film can have a place with the first two, but as a different arc story, it's not pretending to be T1 or T2, as T3 has been made to.
For now, T4 is a good starting point to a new movie series (duology or trilogy could be nice), let's just pretend that T3 doesn't exist... and it's really not hard...

McG failed. I saw the movie on Friday, and god, I hated it. I tried to imagine it as a shooty shooty bang bang movie with explosions, but it wasn't possible.

Hmm... some arguments maybe?
"hated" seems a bit exagerated to me. Are you one of those Terminator hard-fans who have already imagined all the (their) story during all the years between T2 and T4, and can just be disappointed, or do you really find the movie horrible.
If it's the second case, I'd really like to hear more, cause even if I can understand disapointment, I can hardly believe how someone who like "entertainment" movies can just hate this one. Wolverine, for example, is far far worst than this one imo.

If you haven't already seen it, I'd really recommend the IT Crowd. Then there are the legendary old shows like Red Dwarf and Bottom!
I saw Terminator Salvation and really loved it! I didn't think I would going into the film and frankly, I hated T3. I'm not one for brainless action films, and Salvation wasn't one I'm happy to say!
It's certainly different from the originals, but in my opinion, it didn't embarrass the previous films like I thought T3 did! The shot when Conner gets in the chopper at the start had my jaw on the floor!

defenitely the IT crowd as previously mentioned, also Black Adder and Yes, minister if you are cynical about politics.

I saw the movie, and was very angry. There are certain things John Connor is meant to do in the future, and in this one he was just saving his own ass instead of humanity. "Oh, no, Kyle Reese is in the Terminator's base, so I can't blow the shit out of it until I rescue him, putting the fate of the world in jeopardy, all because I'm John Connor and my mom tells me I'm special!" Besides, the less we linger on the fact that John sent his friend and inferior officer back in time to screw his mom and give birth to him, the better off we all are.
They should've never gone past T2. All that was best left to the imagination, and Fox screwed the pooch. I thought all the critics that called it a video game were talking out of their asses, since everyone COINCIDENTALLY had the same description, and not at all because they couldn't find any original and intelligent insults to lay on it (Hint: There are plenty), but the movie did suck.

Surely, he *couldn't* blow up the base because causality would mean that the future would be completely different? Something like, if Reese is killed in the base, then he doesn't go back and create John Conner, who then doesn't become resistance leader and does not exist to oversee the downfall of Skynet? So he's kinda dammed if he does blow the base with Reese in it and damned if he doesn't lol
This is hardly Terminator Salvation's fault! This freakyness is surely T1's fault! :P Fair enough you didn't like the film, but their hands were tied with certain things, surely. Would it have been better if they had re-written the bit about Reese having to go back and screw his mom?

He also wouldn't then be able to kill Reese by blowing up the base as he wouldn't exist and if he didn't exist who knows what the world would be like. If John Conner didn't ever exist then Skynet wouldn't have needed to send a Terminator into the past to kill him or his mother, in which case the fragments of the Terminator used to advance technology and build Skynet in the first place also wouldn't exist, therefore negating any need for any of the films, which of course would limit the film makers ability to make any money. :)

XD!! So, you're saying he should have killed Reece?! But then, what if Skynet, realising that it in fact needs John Conner to stay alive to ensure it's existence, sends 50 000 Terminators to form a protective hub around Reece as the nuke goes off!!
I give you Terminator 5: Redemption lol lol

Now that is something I would want to see.
Considering all the crazy time related permutations you could have with this story, it is a little disappointing that they haven't been a little more inventive isn't it.

Haha cheers! :P
Yeah, you could be right. I think that the first two films were so iconic that the next two have been living off them, without really delivering the same sophistication. I mean, imagine if T3 and Salvation had dropped the 'Terminator' bit from the titles, they would literally be just another random, trumped up action film. Granted I can see the difficulty in keeping the standard up.
Saying that, I didn't mind Salvation. I went in expecting nothing and came out pleasantly surprised. What did you make of it?

Not actually seen it yet, ever since I heard that Christian Bale was cast as John Connor I was a little put off, not really sure why to be honest. How did he do?

I can understand that, I'm not a big fan of his. Other than dropping occasionally into his batman growl, he did okay I thought! It wasn't just the 'Christian Bale Show' by any means. I thought he carried off the air of someone struggling to become the saviour that he has been prophesied to become.
God, how Matrix-y did that sound! lol I thought it was far better than T3 though, but not really in the same league as 1 and 2.