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Zeewolf: It is not. I responded to the broad and incredibly stupid claim that criminals deserve to die. I pointed out that piracy is a crime. The reason I did that, was to point out how useless it is to make broad statements like that. And, of course, that it is a completely moronic opinion to have.

While on the subject of broad statements,
The pharmacist is a murderer, plain and simple.
There's hardly ever anything plain or simple about this kind of thing unless you're starting off on a moral high horse and refusing to take anything into consideration but your own sense of right and wrong.
I'm sorry but if i ever had the misfortune of taking someone else's life for whatever reasons on whatever circunstances i definitely would't want someone with that kind of approach on the bench waving a gavel around.
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Zeewolf: It is not. I responded to the broad and incredibly stupid claim that criminals deserve to die. I pointed out that piracy is a crime. The reason I did that, was to point out how useless it is to make broad statements like that. And, of course, that it is a completely moronic opinion to have.
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Namur: While on the subject of broad statements,
The pharmacist is a murderer, plain and simple.
There's hardly ever anything plain or simple about this kind of thing unless you're starting off on a moral high horse and refusing to take anything into consideration but your own sense of right and wrong.

I refuse to believe you watched the tape and can still say that. I'll refresh your memory.
There were two different situations shown. The first one was a robbery, where one of the robbers were shot, while the other escaped with the pharmacist in pursuit (obviously, the pharmacist was chasing him in self-defense... or something). The attempted robbery ends here, and the pharmacist - who got out of the store, is no longer in any danger.
But it's the second situation that interests me. Here's what we see:
The tape showed a person walking into a store, finding a gun, and shooting another person, who is lying injured on the floor, five times.
How that can be seen as anything other than murder is beyond me.
Post edited May 31, 2009 by Zeewolf
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Zeewolf: I refuse to believe you watched the tape and can still say that. I'll refresh your memory.

No, i did watched the video. The whole video.
I saw a guy who was minding his own business at his work place when two perps walked in and threatned his life and the life of the two other people inside.
In less than a minute, he managed to take the upper hand and then acted on that.
If you want to convince yourself that at the point he landed the first shot and during the following 30 seconds he was in his normal state of mind as you and i are right now, and that he should have managed to force himself to forget about everything else that was probably racing through his mind at the time and managed to solely focus on if it was wrong or right to fire those five shots, like you and i should be able to if we were confronted with such a decision right now, fine.
To me, the fact that under those conditions he ended up making a decision and killed someone doesn't instantly makes him a murderer.
Now, when you put it like this,
"The tape showed a person walking into a store, finding a gun, and shooting another person, who is lying injured on the floor, five times."
he does sound like a cold blooded murderer that fully deserves a murder one charge, but then again, when you sum it up in such a way dismissing everything else that possibly conditioned his decision to fire those shots, you clearly show that you're only taking into consideration your own moral values, and you won't ever allow any room for anything else.
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Shoelip: Heya, basher! How's the weather in that addle coved bone box o' yours?
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Soeverein: Haven't spent enough time in Planescape to reply in Cant. But LOL.
Good to be equalled to the Sodkillers. Always loved playing that faction.
If only I lived in Brazil. I'd love to join BOPE, the real world Red Death. :p

Well man, move to Brazil... I'm sure you're totally bad ass enough to survive in a situation like that. :-|
Post edited May 31, 2009 by Shoelip
If those guys didn't enter the shop, didn't try to threaten him and didn't try rob him, none of this would happen - that makes the whole incident entirely their own fault. Seems gamebin already said all that's needed to say :D
Of course if you follow that to that line to it's conclusion it's just as reasonable to say that whatever caused them to be caused to think of going into a robbing a store is to blame.
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Shoelip: Of course if you follow that to that line to it's conclusion it's just as reasonable to say that whatever caused them to be caused to think of going into a robbing a store is to blame.

And we know by now that everything bad that's ever happened in the world is Videogame's fault... right?
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Miaghstir: And we know by now that everything bad that's ever happened in the world is Videogame's fault... right?

I thought it was Rock'n'Roll and Comic Books.
Post edited May 31, 2009 by Ois
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Miaghstir: And we know by now that everything bad that's ever happened in the world is Videogame's fault... right?
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Ois: I thought it was Rock'n'Roll and Comic Books.

No, according to most soccer moms it's definitely Videogames.
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Miaghstir: And we know by now that everything bad that's ever happened in the world is Videogame's fault... right?

Yeah, sure it it videogame's fault. Now let's wait for another Jack Thompson to arrive and let him start another "Righteous Crusade Against Violent Videogames" ©. The trial of the century is about to begin!
Post edited June 01, 2009 by klaymen
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Shoelip: Of course if you follow that to that line to it's conclusion it's just as reasonable to say that whatever caused them to be caused to think of going into a robbing a store is to blame.

Lots of people in this universe have great problems in their lives and if everyone was solving them by robbing someone, life would be really funny. Therefore: No :D
It strikes me that given how varied the opinions on this video are, it's entirely correct that he be charged and judged by a jury of his peers. Some of you are acting like he's been convicted already.
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Soeverein: Haven't spent enough time in Planescape to reply in Cant. But LOL.
Good to be equalled to the Sodkillers. Always loved playing that faction.
If only I lived in Brazil. I'd love to join BOPE, the real world Red Death. :p
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Shoelip: Well man, move to Brazil... I'm sure you're totally bad ass enough to survive in a situation like that. :-|

BOPE is military police. Moving to Brazil won't change a damn. I'd still be a foreigner there. Durr.
I'm starting bootcamp for the commando brigade over here in the fall though. Aiming for a sniper position. But I fear because I don't have perfect 20/20 eyesight I'll have to stick to a regular position. Close combat is also fun though. Currently training myself in Krav Maga and WMA.
But seriously? What's the worst thing that can happen? Get shot myself? It beats dying from old age.
"The sluggard believes he shall live forever,
If the fight he faces not;
But age shall not grant him the gift of peace,
Though spears may spare his life."