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Aliasalpha: tsitile?

Yup, that's me.
No, actually, I am a meta-meta-elitist.
(and I was aware of the self-condemning nature of my previous post, obviously)
Post edited July 07, 2009 by LordCinnamon
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Andy_Panthro: I for one, am fine with anyone calling me elitist.
I have my opinions, and I'm more than willing to debate them, but I'm a stubborn fool and unlikely to change them.

Then you're not an elitist. The fact that you're not likely to change them doesn't make you one. It's taking it as fact and pushing it on everyone that would make you one.
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DarthKaal: I strongly agree on that point. First times I read some topics here, I was thinking "oh no, another thread ruled by I-know-all-on-all-nerds..."
I was really disappointed, because I was thinking that thread about good old games would be more mature, more open-minded, more "classy" (to quote GOG).
But in the end, well, it's just another thread like every other ones. Fun place, with some irritating users, but still fun place.
Don't take it to seriously and you might like this place, if it's not already the case.

I got the same impression. But still, this forum is pretty tame compared to the crap I got on Youtube (yes, I got an account there). There was a old-school elitist (who played games such as Wasteland and the Ultimas) who had the opinion that you couldn't like Oblivion AND be a decent human being (he repeatedly insulted others on many Oblivion videos). At the time, I was almost ashamed of being an old-school gamer (since my computer isn't that powerful).
Post edited July 07, 2009 by POLE7645
Yeah, it's necessary, as a human, to believe in the accuracy of your opinions. It's also necessary as a human to realize that by definition they can't all be 100% accurate, and to be willing to be convinced otherwise by a good, well-thought-out argument.
Some statements that don't fall under the category of well-thought-out arguments:
"Oblivion is teh best gaem evar!"
"FInal Fantasy is the greatest RPG series!"
"You're all morons, Ultima * is the best game ever"
"You're an elitist"
& etc.
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POLE7645: I got the same impression. But still, this forum is pretty tame compared to the crap I got on Youtube (yes, I got an account there). There was a old-school elitist (who played games such as Wasteland and the Ultimas) who had the opinion that you couldn't like Oblivion AND be a decent human being (he repeatedly insulted others on many Oblivion videos). At the time, I was almost ashamed of being an old-school gamer (since my computer isn't that powerful).

How about this then: You can like Oblivion, but if you think it's the best CRPG ever, your mind is broken and needs fixing :P
And no, that's not a well-thought-out argument. That's the opening statement for one. That's for the lulz.
Post edited July 07, 2009 by phanboy4
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phanboy4: Yeah, it's necessary, as a human, to believe in the accuracy of your opinions. It's also necessary as a human to realize that by definition they can't all be 100% accurate, and to be willing to be convinced otherwise by a good, well-thought-out argument.

Except that when we're talking about opinions on games, there aren't really any arguments. Sure, you can debate flaws back and forth, and even convince others that something they don't actually see as a flaw, really is one. However, what it really comes down to is, do you think the game is fun or not? If you simply find a game boring, no amount of argumentation is going to suddenly make it fun for you. Conversely, if you really love a game, it doesn't matter what someone else says, you won't suddenly find it unappealing because of that.
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phanboy4: How about this then: You can like Oblivion, but if you think it's the best CRPG ever, your mind is broken and needs fixing :P
And no, that's not a well-thought-out argument. That's the opening statement for one. That's for the lulz.

This is one of the reason why I prefer to hear "One of the best" rather than "the best". No game really deserve the mention of "the best" because it's a matter of opinion (Like I can't get into Gothic because I can't get used to the controls (I only have the demo and it doesn't come with an User manual detailing how the actions can be performed. If anyone can refer me to a manual or a Quick-reference chart, I'd appreciate it) despite being told that it's one of the best CRPGs). If somebody says "the best" in a review, it lost most of it's credibility for me.
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Andy_Panthro: I for one, am fine with anyone calling me elitist.
I have my opinions, and I'm more than willing to debate them, but I'm a stubborn fool and unlikely to change them.
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POLE7645: Then you're not an elitist. The fact that you're not likely to change them doesn't make you one. It's taking it as fact and pushing it on everyone that would make you one.

Well you seem to be using the term "elitist" as interchangable with "fanboy", so on that basis you'd be right. I'd consider myself elitist because I am of the opinion that a lot of games in the 90s were better than the ones released today, and I do like to express my opinion quite a lot.
That's probably why I much prefer being on the GOG and Abandonia forums than the Escapist for example, since the "fanboy" type of behaviour that annoys us all is so common there.
As someone with 20 years of gaming behind them (something more common here), I tend not to make absolute statements like "Game X is the best game evar!1!", purely because I'd have a hard time defining my top 20 games, let alone which one would be the best of them all (lets ignore my post in the "top 10 games" thread on this very forum, since I would probably give a different 10 games if asked again).
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JudasIscariot: Hey, hey now ...I knew my father :P.
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Aliasalpha: Socially or in the biblical sense?

It all depended on how good of a father he was at the time :P
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Prator: Sometimes I feel like I'm the only gamer on the internet who just plays for fun and nothing else.

Everyone does but lets face it without Joe Luvhandles the game industry wouldn't exist. Without classics from Sierra and games like Ultima it would be a very sad state of affairs. No offense to Pong lovers, we'd still be playing Pong thinking it's the greatest game ever because that's all we'd be playing. So that's where competition comes in and everyone has their favorites and companies making millions. The problem is that instead of heading into unexplored areas. They churn out the same games over and over again asking, " We made you a game. Where's our money?" Like going to see a remake of Rollerball for the 100th time. It's not the same.
I personally love Sierra before Vivendi because they knew the core of what makes a game fun. I've e-mailed some thanking them for making those great games but they seem bitter. Not about me e-mailing but the way the game industry has gone.
But I'll still play King's Quest and the rest until the day I die.
"We made you a game. Where's our money? We didn't make as much as we expected to? YOU BLOODY PIRATES! DON'T MAKE US MOVE TO CONSOLES!"

Fixed.
Post edited July 08, 2009 by phanboy4
"We made you a game. Where's our money? We didn't make as much as we expected to? YOU BLOODY PIRATES! DON'T MAKE US MOVE TO CONSOLES!"

Fixed.#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:69#Q&_^Q&Q#

Exactley, treat your only fans like criminals. With all the mod chips floating around I guess shock collars or laser turrets will be next.
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dreadcog: Exactley, treat your only fans like criminals. With all the mod chips floating around I guess shock collars or laser turrets will be next.

Nope, just robots with anal probes.
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dreadcog: Exactley, treat your only fans like criminals. With all the mod chips floating around I guess shock collars or laser turrets will be next.
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Wishbone: Nope, just robots with anal probes.

Stock up on vasoline I guess.