You are correct. I missed TwigBerry's Unvote. I shall give myself no dessert for one hour.

Okay, after a second cup of coffee and four( yes, four, don't judge me) Yogurt Delights, I must say two things:

1. My idea wasn't very good, and has only served to make me look suspicious.
2. I should stop banging on about the conversation being stagnant/slow. A slow moving, rational discussion concerning
actual suspicious would serve town better than what I have just done; my post hasn't helped my cause at all, and has diverted the attention away from actual 'scum', and onto me.

No, that was one of the things that made you look suspicious or at least not trustworthy in the first place. It reads much like a disclaimer "Yea, I am going to be acting like scum. But it's not because I AM scum, I promise! It's just because I want to test reactions." ... If we acknowledge that as a valid defence, then we will not be able to lynch anyone because every behaviour can be labelled as 'just testing/pulling tricks'.
So if you really are town, your strange playstyle has hurt yourself and the town, because you have made yourself a prime target and we can't even draw many conclusions from the fact if someone is voting for you or not. If you intentionally behave suspicious the fact that people find you suspicious doesn't tell us anything about them. It just tells us that your suspicious behaviour has worked. So townies will vote for you because you are acting suspicious and mafia will vote for you because you are offering an easy target and are not one of them. So as a townie this kind of unorthodox behaviour is a bad idea, IMO. ... And as a mafia it is still a bad idea. So I am still not sure whether you are a careless mafia or a overzealous townie. Or something else entirely (who knows what kind of additional roles there are?)

You are right - this post helps in the fact that as you point out, if you are Mafia you have made far too many contradictions, slips etc, and it would be a very silly thing to do. But it sort of proves the point - even if you are Town, the contradictions, the alteration in play-style, doesn't help the cause.

Personally I still think you are Mafia though, and are desperately trying to find a way out of the predicament you have put yourself in. Should you flip Town, its not a total disaster, as its only first day, but I don't think you will.

What helps the cause then ? Sitting like a duck waiting for someone to act suspicious ? As if Mafia are BOUND to act suspicious sooner or later ? You're either very gullable, or you are just trying to desensitize people by telling them that it's not that bad to lynch me even if I am townie.

You people should stop searching for a scapegoat and try to provoke each-others a little bit more.
My playstyle only hurts those who are naive enough to think that mafia can be caught by sitting still and waiting for change. You might as well vote no-lynch since mafia are obiviously gonna do their best to avoid suspicious behavior.

Voting for someone acting suspicious is the normal course of action. Voting for someone who is not acting suspicious is a suspicious act. Since we have shown that voting for no-lynch is suspicious, it remains that town will want to lynch someone, thus they'll go for someone who acts suspiciously.

So far your gaming style has been the most suspicious one, even if it is in line with your usual game. But you have raised quite a few (if not all) of the scum flags by 1) lying, 2) contradicting yourself, 3) claiming it's all a plot to lure out mafia. Ain't those reasons enough to vote and scrutinize someone, especially on day 1 when there's not enough information going on?

And how would one provoke a discussion? So far, we don't have enough data (another reason I hate day 1). Do we go after those who vote a lot? After those who don't vote? After those that stubbornly haunt one person over all others? Or do we go after those that have acted suspiciously?

No idea if the above will help you in this mafia game, but I will suggest that you rethink your playstyle. It may be suitable for physical mafia were you can watch and judge the others' expressions and reactions, but it's not so succesful in a game of internet mafia.

Ok fair enough. Now I've said I wanted to leave a Post-Mortem Message to all the players once I'm Lynched/Killed, but Vitek refused to grant me the request. Now Why would I do such a thing if I'm Mafia ? What good could leaving a message to all the players do to a Mafia Team ?
It should by it self, if not prove I'm townie, strongly suggest it at least.

If you have anything to say , best to get it out BEFORE you are lynched. Communication wins in this game - if we dont communicate with each other, how do we hunt scum?

You cant say it post -mortem? Say it now

You are familiar with the concept of "Wine In Front Of Me", aka WIFOM? More or less, if action A is usually done by a town, and we know action A is usually done by town, then the mafia will also do action A to appear as town. So did I do the action because I'm town or because I'm scum trying to look like town?

Most usual example of the above are a scum buddying up to a townie to build an alibi of sorts, or two scums going at each other's throats to show that they are hunting for scum.

Thus it is possible that you are a townie who wants to leave a post-mortem message, or it's also possible that you are scum trying to prevent your lynch. But let me ask you one more question, what information do you have that will only be relevant post-lynch and not pre-lynch? I could accept a cop that has had time to investigate a few people and wishes to inform others in case of an untimely death, but I don't think there was a night 0, was there?

I start to rant and lose the track of my thinking, so I'll stop here and post this as is.

Please don't!
I don't want to think that I've upset you.
When I say "I'ld be happy to lynch N0x" I don't mean that it would MAKE me happy to lynch, but that I'ld accept it as the town's decision and go along with it to avoid nolynch. I'ld be less content to do that for Twister (but if it was the only way to avoid nolynch then I would have to) but there's no real reasoning involved. It's the way the game works and I forget sometimes that the rules of the game are cruel. I'm not trying to be cruel.

No that was a sort of quote from you. It went -

CFDSG: I think that there are only aliens in the game.
Bucket: You might be right, but you're not.
CPFGV: How can you be so sure?
Bucket: [censored]

-something a little like that. When I actually thought about that context I was MILDLY appeased.

Well actually I recently played a game of mafia at a party and the host forced this to happen. At somepoint picking out the two with the most votes, giving them a chance to defend themselves and then forcing us to pick one to be the lynch.
It was interesting to me at the time - but probably it would only work for the ten-minute mafia games where you feel less hard done by by unfairness than in these two-month games.

And I think that we would definitely have had to choose the top three votees.

N0x0ss' argument -
yes this is sort of my way of thinking as well. I can believe that his motivation comes from the desire for justice and it all seems genuine.
The problem is of course - when you have to play mafia at some point what are you going to do?
(I had a friend who, when playing mafia INSISTED that he would never lie. When asked what he would do when he played as a mafia he looked uncomfortable and said he would just have to avoid the questions - I never saw him play mafia so I don't know whether he would have done or not but probably he would have because he's a stubborn goat)
So N0x0ss, playing mafia, would he be able to falsify that energy and thirst for justice? I don't know.
But rather than convincing me that he must be town it just makes me more curious to discover whether or not he is mafia playing the game.

It's not the information... It's the impact it would've done.
The way you deliver a message is "I believe" as strong as its content.
Now for the content, it said what I really thought about each and every player...
I Stated in the message that since the mafia in this game has been hiding so well, I've instead tried to search for whom I was convinced were townies like for instance Lifthrasil. Now I proceeded by elimination and got around 6 suspects... I wanted to see if anybody thought like me, by asking a list of the 6 scummiest people.

If we had more time before the deadline I would've asked you guy to answer a logic test :p.

Again, N0x0ss, your play-style is most bemusing. Let me pose you another question: Earlier on, I made a suggestion that was thought by both Lifthrasil and flubbucket to be odd/scummy. Now, if I told everyone that that had just been to garner a reaction, would you believe me, or would you just think that I'm being scummy?

JoeSapphire-That's quite interesting. Having thought about it now, but agree that it would most likely only work a blitz game setting.

Vote N0x0ss


Wow, there's practically a whole vineyard here! This post really rubs me up the wrong way, very "mafia clutching at straws"-y.

<span class="bold">Megavote N0x0ss!</span>

Just curious: is there a difference between vote and megavote? It's the second time that this expression appears.

Not as far as I know. SirPrimalform was joking, but at the the same time commenting on the fact that N0x0ss keeps on saying things that make him look more and more suspicious.

Also, is anyone else suspicious of the fact that P1na has contributed anything but a joke now and again? I know it's day one, and he did say that he was lurking, but it's beginning to make me suspect him again.