I saw absolutely nothing of the sort. She's totally evil until in this episode where it's suddenly like we're supposed to treat her as some noble ruler betrayed by an evil villain. If anything it would have made much more sense for Burnham to throw her lot in with Lorca. All she knows is that Georgiou fucking eats people and slaughtered without a glance the entire rebelion Burnham was trying to protect, and Lorca is the guy who's trying to overthrow her.

Yeah, given her record I should be grateful it wasn't even worse :P I absolutely hate those asian martial arts movies. Haaaaate.

I really doubt they make those episodes within weeks of release :P

Yes.

That's my "headcanon" too, but I very much doubt that's the intention behind the show.

What in the hell does that mean?

Yeah, I actually did like Saru as captain and the crew working together in a semi-proper Star Trek fassion. Hey, the no-name bridge people actually have names!

I liked more the scene at the end where Georgiou is standing out in the open and dozens of soldiers are just rushing in and dying as she mows them down and no one can hit here like in a game with hilariously bad AI. Man, those Terran guys have worse aim than the Stormtroopers.

Hmm I guess you do have a point. We've only had this Emperor for a couple of episodes so we're still getting to know her. So as far as I was concerned, we're still seeing what kind of character she has. When you condense it a bit and look at it over the span of the last few episodes, I guess it does look like a bit of an arbitrary turn. They were introducing her as a major villain though so I think it's understandable if they tried to do with flare.

It's a TF2 reference. When Lorca got death-by-giant-shiny-spaceball I immediately thought that he's gonna go into the mycelium network and we won't have seen the last of him. Then at the end of the show a little green Spore breaks off from the rest and goes ominously into Tilly. I doubt it's Hugh.

Agreed. I generally have really not liked the Saru character, but he's been a surprisingly good Captain.

You perfectly know why, Breja. I've (and I think other people in this thread) told you many times. You are just in denial.

Yeah, that was my first thought when he was falling down the drive. "OMG? He is not gone, he's going to merge with the spores."
Then the stray green spore came and I died inside a little.


Speaking of spores, it is kind of funny how similar the effect of them flying around is to The Expanse protomolecule airborne effect.

My first thought was that it's funny how they are still using that "screaming in pain even after body has been disintegrated", which dates back to the first movies in Star Trek context.

It's because the scream was so horrible it resonates in our ears even after its author perishes. ;-)

Oh sweet tribbles, I didn't even think of that. I seriously thought they were just playing with the pretty lights. But I can see that, it's exactly the kind of stupid shit they'd pull on this show. I guess by the end of the season we'll be lucky if there'll be anyone except Burnham who won't turn out to be evil one way or another :P

KHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANN !!!!

MR. TAMBOURINE MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANN !!!!!

Well, I have to agree with you this time. I really liked this series until last episode that, basically, killed it. It was awful!!!

Actually, in orevious episode empress said that Mirror Lorca and Burnham tried to "poison" Empire with some kind of liberalism and weakness. And now everything completely changed!!! Empress is good and Lorca is evil! How and when this happened?! Total crap!!!

This king-fu looked really idiotic! They went full SJW this time...

Also, Burnham is really shitty character now. Lorca didn't wanted to kill her in fight, asked her to stop. And what in the end?! He is a bad guy??? After he agreed to let Discovery go? Right now I ready to agree - they killed Star Trek.

That was a nice twist.

Yes, that was very stupid too...

Voq was interesting and they killed him. Almost all interesting characters are dead now, so watching Discovery is pointless for me...

Predicting: they will save Federation in 1 or 2 episodes. :)

I will miss Lorca (if he doesn't appear again), but at least we will have more Michelle Yeoh. :) The way I see it, Michael was presented with two evils so he chose the lesser one (that is, the one that isn't sickly obsessed with her and will allow her to return to her universe). Michael is an emotional mess (possibly because of her Vulcan upbringing) so she probably still feels guilty about betraying her Georgiou. Anyway, I'm not going to complain about more Georgiou, even if she is from the Mirror Universe.

I liked the cliffhanger in the end. I think it's too soon to panic about continuity issues. That very same scene established that the mycellium network allows to time travel, so... This has "Year of Hell" written all over it. Not particularly original, but at least we get to see the Federation conquered by the Klingons for a couple of episodes.

The greatest surprise of the episode was how good Saru works as a captain. Finally they gave the character enough to work with. He would be a fantastic captain for season 2.

Saru was fantastic! Right you are

It's more like too late to panic acout continuity issues. Terran Empire was never racist in Trek - many aliens served on the ships side by side with humans. It's all forgotten now.

Usually I can't tell because I have seen next to nothing of TOS, but I see an easy explanation there. The shows take place in different time periods, and in Enterprise the Empire was already racist (T'Pol is treated as an inferior to humans). So the Terran Empire started racist (Enterprise), during the next 100 years became superracist (Discovery), and by the time TOS takes place someone (Lorca's people or whoever becomes Emperor) changes that.

But that's the thing! It wasn't!
T'Pol was assistant on the bridge. And Archer made her his first mate (Number one). Could ever slave become first mate? Moreover, after he tells her about vulcans, that they are slaves now instead of humans. She answers "So that's your attitude towards vulcans?", implying that Archer's opinion is not generally shared by other Terrans.

And anyway, Dr. Phlox is also an officer on the Enterprise - so again even if vulcans were treated as servants (by some terrans at least), denobulans weren't. This is completely incompatible with "Terran Empire rejects any change and outside culture" told in Discovery.

Also, we talk mere a decade between Discovery and TOS. Considering that in US after abolishing slavery there were about hunderd years of segregation and KKK, it's even more hard to believe that Empire went from "no aliens among the crew" to vulcans being respected crewmembers in such a short time.

My impression was that Vulcans were barely tolerated and treated inequally. Weren't they brutally conquered (as any non-human species)? As for Phlox, he is the only Denobulan we see. Maybe he's so good at his job they don't mind. Maybe Denobulans are allies who provide biological weapons to the Terrans. It's a work of fiction, there are infinite explanations.

Anyway, even if I don't remember correctly the Enterprise episodes, which could very well be, it's not that big of a deal. So much can change in 100 years. Even a decade is enough time to completely change the world.