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Can someone tell me why Zuma and ANC are bad? I mean, he did not gnarr on bones, like , whom France backed-up until he went haywire ([url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA_P8CaNwro]chaos sinks prices).

PS
Absolutely love Robocop :)
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Lin545: Can someone tell me why Zuma and ANC are bad?
About as corrupt as Putin, AIDS truther, major pervert. Basically, your perfect President if he weren't black.
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Starmaker: About as corrupt as Putin, AIDS truther, major pervert. Basically, your perfect President if he weren't black.
You live in South Africa? No? Then please kindly shut up :D
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Barefoot_Monkey: ANC has an extremely strict policy that its members of parliament must vote as ordered and may not even abstain, and as they have a majority it means that Zuma personally controls every decision of Parliament, including this one.
This is one known way to corrupt a representative organ, not only by threat, but also by collusion.. (another method is multilayered circle, where majority does not know the true goals, and group is steered by few. For example, like constituent lodge)
Yet I wonder how this is justified/carried out, since it looks like he has quite a support. What is the external challenge? For example, Nelson Mandela was also an ANC politician.
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dick1982: nah. russia is still gonna dick around with everyone no matter who wins, and even after EU breaks up.
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Lin545: whom has russia "dicked" before? Except ISIS.
The first thing I can think of are the surviving relatives of the victims of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 by refusing to admit responsibility to the shootdown and downright concocting falsehood after falsehood about what happened, even though the evidence is pretty much in your face.
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Zjeraar: The first thing I can think of are the surviving relatives of the victims of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 by refusing to admit responsibility to the shootdown and downright concocting falsehood after falsehood about what happened, even though the evidence is pretty much in your face.
[url=https://youtu.be/hgNXnCp7y0Q?t=8m59s]right.
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mystikmind2000: What happened in South Africa anyway?

I don't get it? You have this amazing leader Nelson Mandela at just the right time to lead South Africa into a new golden era.... then all the world watched the support for his direction fade away until he simply gave up, now seemingly drifting along without any clear direction at all?

I never saw such squandered opportunity anywhere else in the world.
I'm afraid your impression of the man is rose-tinted by the Western media's deification of him. Mandela was the farthest thing from a saint, and managed to absolutely ruin South Africa.
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pearnon: I'm afraid your impression of the man is rose-tinted by the Western media's deification of him. Mandela was the farthest thing from a saint, and managed to absolutely ruin South Africa.
Any details? Thanks!

What I mean, is that he was not only rose-tinted by West, but [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#/media/File:1988_CPA_5971.jpg]also by USSR[/url].
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Lin545
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pearnon: I'm afraid your impression of the man is rose-tinted by the Western media's deification of him. Mandela was the farthest thing from a saint, and managed to absolutely ruin South Africa.
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Lin545: Any details? Thanks!

What I mean, is that he was not only rose-tinted by West, but [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#/media/File:1988_CPA_5971.jpg]also by USSR[/url].
Indeed. He was much lauded by the USSR, because, at the time, Africa was a battlefield by proxy of the Cold War, wherein nations - little more than tribal conglomerates, really - were the playthings of rival world superpowers. South Africa, at the time, one of the most prosperous nations in the world, with one of the highest standards of living, almost utopian healthcare, armed forced second to scant few, and friggin' nuclear weapons, was a most appetizing target.

Mandela was the figurehead of the ol' hammer and sickle in that global game of chess, groomed, armed and guided by the Communists. He was a nominal and literal terrorist, who never disavowed or reneged the violent acts and atrocities (murder, torture, bombings, sabotage) of Umkhonto we Sizwe, the terrorist organization that was the military wing of the Marxist African National Congress, the former of which he was the co-founder and commander of.

He got arrested, but managed to be an even more insidious tool in prison, as he was lauded as a martyr of sorts by the rest of the world, which then besieged South Africa and crippled it with sanctions. Once freed, Mandela basked in the adulation and worship of celebrities and dignitaries, and only had to sit back and enjoy the subsequent economic boom that resulted from the lifting of the aforementioned sanctions. Only to then slowly but surely lead his country into the utter shithole it currently finds itself in.
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Zjeraar: The first thing I can think of are the surviving relatives of the victims of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 by refusing to admit responsibility to the shootdown and downright concocting falsehood after falsehood about what happened, even though the evidence is pretty much in your face.
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Lin545: [url=https://youtu.be/hgNXnCp7y0Q?t=8m59s]right.
Yes.
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mystikmind2000: What happened in South Africa anyway?

I don't get it? You have this amazing leader Nelson Mandela at just the right time to lead South Africa into a new golden era.... then all the world watched the support for his direction fade away until he simply gave up, now seemingly drifting along without any clear direction at all?

I never saw such squandered opportunity anywhere else in the world.
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pearnon: I'm afraid your impression of the man is rose-tinted by the Western media's deification of him. Mandela was the farthest thing from a saint, and managed to absolutely ruin South Africa.
Interesting, well i knew only that he had women trouble, but then so did King David, or Samson! lol

my impression was that people expected things to change quick, but that is simply not how the world works.

Change takes time and allot of hard work.
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Lin545: my cat can cook better fakes than bellingcat.
What's your cat's name, is it Lincat?
Very serious.

I have no idea why you're posting something that has absolutely nothing to do with the evidence as presented by Bellingcat that on July 17th, 2014, a 9M38M1 missile from Russian Buk 332 from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade downed MH17.
Well, I am hijacking the thread.
The French elections are nigh, and the spongident is going in again AFAIK. At Least there are incoming new challengers -street fighter II music theme-
But given the recent world history, I am prepared for yet another political disaster. Has 'politics' bore anything good recently ? anywhere ???
Post edited November 17, 2016 by Potzato