I could go into further detail as to why lynches can indeed be awesome for scum, but I don't want to and I might have people asking me again whether I want a lynch in this game even though I've said I'm always pro-lynch.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

On a different topic: you've been pretty quiet. What do you think of the different conversations that have occurred thus far? Who are your top scum picks at the moment? Alternatively, who are your top town picks?

I've had that happena few times. Too much wattage for the outlet is all, gotta check the BTU output and the socket threshold.

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catching up...

It's smurfy enough as it is. So no.

So an example of bad setup speculation: "There were actions on N0? I didn't know that!". Don't do that.

(paraphrasing)

Assuming you're town, do not mistake huge walls of texts for participation/contribution.




The Lifthrasil/drealmer7 "clash" has been the most interesting interaction to me so far. Not disregarding the rest, but I'd rather wait a bit on them.

I took drealmer7's RVS vote as general RVS goofiness, but the "it was a trap all along!" part does strike me as an overreaction. I also generally strongly dislike posts of the "let's not talk setup, fo'realziez, but let's do think about it real hard, you guys" variety. (major paraphrasing)

But then again, Lifthrasil casting an RVS vote (even if it's "slightly less RVS") at a stage where people were having actual arguments and had begun voting for real kind of leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

The not much has changed in 24 hours; deadline in 48 hours vote count:

Drealmer (3): Trent, Wyrm, Lift
Lift (1): Drealmer
Brasas (1): Nacho


Not voting (5): YMich, Trial, Hunter, Darko, Brasas

Maj = 6, Drealmer closest to being smurfed into the Smurfmatic Smurfmotabulator at S-3.

Deadline is Thursday 11/17 at 11:45 AM (pacific).


Let me know if your vote is not where you want it.

Does JMich have a twin brother playing ;-)

What a tough crowd you all are...

I guess you were not satisfied with my answer to Lift...

1 - I might be wrong, it is just D1 afterall
2 - I have not one, but two suspects... an embarassment of riches

Ergo the call for help - poke holes in the theory, comment on it - will help me decide.


Point taken.

Vote gogtrial

If I'm all right, rather than just somewhat right, he's the strategic choice.

But Wyrm, you of all people should understand - you saw the Hijack slip outing JMich in the Resistance game. I see parallels here and that both reinforces my gut feel I'm on to these two, as well makes me wonder if it's some weird deja vu conf bias on my part. That's the main reason I wanted to have you all pitch in. I mean, it's not like I'm pulling punches on trial and Nacho. I can't be that oblique...

It's a team game after all... I'm not lynching anyone alone, and I don't like to feel like I'm the only one going over the top.

Team game remember? Because of this I reread trial's post, which I already replied to earlier. Check this out:

Gaah! I did not realize the implications of what it meant, in that I assumed scum was allowed to talk beforehand, but completely overlooked the possibility that town would ... have actions.

Gaah! I did not realize the implications of what it meant, in that I assumed scum was allowed to talk beforehand, but completely overlooked the possibility that town would also have actions.

It's not a data point. It's a slip.

:(

And?

Eh, can't agree with that since it seems a bit flimsy. Seems like confirmation bias to me, you strongly believe trial is scum so maybe you're seeing evidence even when there is none.

@drealmer what's your take on brasas's theory? (This and the previous Shakespearean post)

@trial where's your vote leaning as of now?

I just happened to be around shortly after, and found the timing noteworthy, too, so reloaded continuously to figure out just how unlikely it was.

So, say you do actually vote me (pre-post edit: ooh, you did (yeah, I spent over an hour writing this due to interruptions)), and get the majority to agree with you and end up at the mislynch showing that I'm town after all, then what's your next step? What does that tell you? You mentioned "scum|Nacho is fake buddying to town|trial for the mislynch...", which I'd thought about, too. Maybe scum was feeling sorry for the poor newbie making all the mistakes? But no, I'd expect more ...professionalism? from scum.

Given my post where I effectively implied that, and then Lift pointing it out so publicly, was there any way for me to do anything else which wouldn't have seemed extremely scummy? (I truly find it hard to judge for everything surrounding this subject what's scummy and not. My mind hasn't quite twisted this way yet, while 'everyone else' (those engaging with me, who actually are far from everyone) seems to be operating from a shared body of knowledge and is looking at my actions through this lens.)

Thanks, particularly for the rest of this post. I do look for quality over quantity.

I've only been able to read the last 24 hours twice, and won't have time to do more until tomorrow, so this is an unbaked analysis, but if I'd have to vote now, I'd go for either you or trent. Drealmer feels iffy, too, but trent feels iffier. I feel best about Brasas and Wyrm as town. (His pushing/voting me gives me an omgus "maybe he's scum after all!" reaction (hoping I'm using the terminology right there), but honestly, annoying though a mislynch is for town, I'd expect scum to push for a higher value target than me, so rationally I do end up at Brasas as town for real.)
So, I haven't really seen you push anyone yet, despite this promise. How come?

Unless people actually start voting we are going to have a rushed lynch or no lynch happen and neither option is good for town, so vote for whoever you find to be scummiest!! Let's do this people!

I had a long meeting today so got tied up at work a bit longer that I planned, catching up now. I want everyone to be aware that deadline is in two days and that's not a lot of time at all; Thursday deadline ends right about when I get out of work so it's entirely possible that I will not be around at all which means that the little piece of posting that I'm able to do today and anything that I'll do tomorrow will be the rest of my contributions a lynch and all of you who haven't expressed a strong preference for lynch (Ymich, Tril, Hunter, Darko especially); Brasas, if your preference is Trial then you need to be casing and pushing Trial and if your preference and me then you need to be casing and pushing me since we absolutely do not have time right now for me to put on my dancing shoes and go ballroom dancing as much as it would warm my heart and excite me to; I'll do my best to respond in full to what you've brought up in your beautiful play but my current focus is finding a scumread to lynch.

Trial would know that there would be a risk; he wouldn't know the level of risk. If anything, I think he'd overestimate how much heat he'd draw from the action that he was taking. I'm not sure if I addressed this before, sorry if you're reading the same thing twice.

We have two days left. As of right now, this read is absolutely useless; right now you're telling me that you're gunshy in scumreading him due in history and you think that he's town because you were wrong on him for the same reasons in the past which is super dumb in my opinion (and I apologize for blunt language, whatever I think is whatever gets written when I'm rushposting as I'm doing now). What I need from you is a scumhunting effort; I think that what you've presented so far is pretty ridiculous in general but I lean away from it being scummy; I don't think that scum sticks their neck out in the way that you have and I think you look a lot more nervous and resigned as scum, but, if we end up EoD tomorrow with you as a leading wagon, I'm voting you. Find me scumreads. Lynch them.

I was curious because I was wondering if the statement he worded was trying to throw some cheap shade on me. The end result ended up being a joke about me being a fantastic person (OK) but not really having a read in general. I think that was a perfectly acceptable read for someone who felt lost in the game early game; do you think it would be more believable if he called me a scum read? I don't understand the heh. If you've addressed this already, sorry but rushing. I've already expressed that the character judgment was based on him seeming legitimately new and lost - I don't think that a legitimately new player rolefishes in that fashion to gain an advantage for the team. What about this is unreasonable and ridiculous and so distasteful for you?

From my understanding, you are an experienced player.
This is the only contribution that I remember from you and it's kind of ridiculous; is there really nothing in thread worthy of comment other than some newbie that was scum in a game you guys played long ago? You're reading, why not give an opinion on Trial or Wyrm or anything at all that matters?

You're relying on an easy vote again, Lift; no lynch votes are dumb but even I know that drealmer typically votes No Lynch on Day 1 and I've literally never played a game with him to this point. Do you really think that drealmer doing what he always does is scummy? We're getting down to the wire here, is this the reason that makes you think that drealmer gets death?

This is a fine line of attack; when I initially read this all I saw was the bait line and it looked absolutely atrocious as a result.

Drealmer voted no lynch. Drealmer did not make the argument anywhere that no lynch was the play of the day. Drealmer always votes no lynch. Why did you vote him initially?

Bookwyrm, what's gone downhill about my play since then? If you're referring to short posts, those are mobile work posts; during the day I follow the game during bathroom breaks and 15 minute breaks and don't have time to do anything but pick up easy questions or pick at small things that stand out to me.

And (as an addendum to the last post just in case they don't get merged), if it's not that some of my posts are small and not very engaged then I'd be interested in hearing why you think that I could be scum because I feel pretty fucking town right now.

Why did you immediately jump from "you're scum!" to "you're letting generalities cloud your judgment"? The latter seems like you think there's a pretty strong chance that he's town? And if you think that's his general playstyle, then why'd you jump on him for it considering your reason for attacking him initially was criticizing him for not taking your playstyle into account?

I have a feeling you are going to hate me this game since I don't have time and I know this is going to sound terrible, but isn't Darko your brother? Why spend time explaining theory to your brother instead of time... scumhunting? Pushing? Townreading people?

Unvote: Brasas
Vote: JMich

I'm completely caught up, this is where I'm going for now. I am very appreciative for bler allowing me to multi-post like this, very very appreciative because I wouldn't have been able to do this as quickly otherwise. THANK YOU FOR TAKING A RISK ON US BLER. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.
First of all, I appreciated the play. It was lovely, and it finally made me feel like you didn't hate my guts.

Secondly, you're the one overreacting with the "character defense" stuff; I type most people I play with in order to get an idea of what I expect from their scumrange. I defend players very strongly because I've been playing mafia a very long time (I don't have the skills to show it, but my god do I have the passion). When I brought up my tendency to play with newer players, I brought it up because I'm often forced in the position where I am defending people from other new players who aren't looking beyond the surface; I also constantly play with a lot of tunneling overaggressive people and there I also end up defending players a lot. I am known for defending players. My town game and my scum game are known for defending players. But your "haha you have a magical character analysis of him how do you know him if you haven't played with him before" is ridiculous; think of mafia like basketball (or any sports). Certain athletes play in different styles. You can generally judge athlete skill and style from opening moves. I'd cut my left nut off if Trial is an experienced player faking new, which means I'm comfortable making many assumptions of what he would do as scum and town.

You saying Trial "fumbled" because he joked about me townreading is ridiculous. Trial not having a read on me makes sense based on him being lost early game; if he came out with the "oh you're so town you know I'm town!" after saying that the only people who knew he was town were scum then I'd lambast him. If he came out with "oh you're so scum for defending me!!" then that's something significant to dig into; I'd ask him why he thought my defense of him was unbelievable so on and so forth. Saying that I was a great guy but not having a read on me makes absolute sense from a lost town perspective; explain how the hell that was a fumble?

As for your little bit about my "guilt", I'd imagine you know me better than that. I bussed Lift the entire game. I bussed Dessimu instantly. I stuck my neck out for RW a tiny little bit thanks to promises of glory but you better be damn sure that I'd bus the hell out of him if alive the next day. The weakness in my scumgame is giving too little mercy to partners, not too much, which I'd imagine is something you'd be well aware of when you were literally the only partner I didn't push that entire game (and yet I would have if you weren't so universally townread).