Again, is this how you discuss a topic?

Why are you posting here? Just coming in to attack me with your friends?

You seem to ignore all the name-calling from your friends..."Boy Who Cried Wolf" based on things I never actually said and dishonest strawman arguments.

I see you are trying to contribute to this thread and not just attacking me like you always seem to do...right?

Is this how YOU discuss a topic? Not a single one of your posts are about this crap game. You are here just trying to attack me as you have done multiple times already. You have also been warned about this multiple times in the past. Go away troll!

You equate someone calling you "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" with your calling others "lowlifes" and "dishonest lying jerks" and telling them to "fuck off"?

I would suggest you read GOG's forum rules and regulations. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm serious.

As for why I am here...

I have been a part of this thread since inception. I am one of the GOG forum members who would like to see Vendetta on GOG. That is why I am here.

As I have said prior, it is clear you do not like TopWare and hate Vendetta / Raven's Cry.

You can rest assured that no one will ever mistake you for a fan of Vendetta. Your relentless crusade against this game was well-noted pages and pages and pages prior. But...

... instead of simply stating your case...

... you consistently disrespect others while claiming their opinions and counter-arguments are actually nefarious attacks on you.

In fact you took a "live and let live" post by me -- which was meant as a warning to where your brand of argument would probably go (based on your prior posts in this thread) -- as an attack. And yes...

... the thread "went there" based on your vitriolic posts.

You do the forum a favor with your price charting, but your behavior on this forum is problematic. I hope that you will see this, stop calling people names and telling them to "fuck off," and discuss with others more productively.

I am not trying to re-write anything...I freely admit I personally wanted the game here long before the price drop or updates, etc. However, that is beside the point I was making here though. My post was talking about what the average consumer sees. Game is out for years, game gets price drops, game gets an unequivocally DRM-free version outside of Scheme thanks to itch...consumer wonders why game can't get the same unequivocally DRM-free version here. This was a game that had interest here, on this site, and was in line with similar games already on this site.

But yes, I was wanting the game here and actually would have been willing to pay original price for it, though I understand my view of game pricing differs from most consumers (in short, I believe being able to effectively own a game, i.e. DRM-free, is actually worth much more than the typical prices developers are asking. I am grateful for lower prices, don't get me wrong. I just value this stuff highly since ownership is vanishing...thank your precious Scheme service for that trend, btw). Happy at me engaging with something so irrelevant to the topic?

I don't mean to focus so much on Grimoire, either. My position is similar for this Vendetta game. There are already janky open-world RPGs on this site, including janky open-world pirate-themed RPGs, at that! I personally enjoy this type of game and setting. I am not as bothered as you about bad programming or glitches. However, maybe you are right and GOG would reconsider if some of the game was fixed. Has GOG or the developer/publisher ever shared reason for the rejection? Are we sure it is because of programming/glitches?
Seconded, well said and diplomatically said. The point of a forum is discussion. Hollering is not really up to standard.

As with all things, it's always about the entire package. It's the bugs; it's the review-bombing; it's the anti-consumer renaming and re-releasing the game claiming it's been fixed when it hasn't. It's abandoning development and leaving it in a buggy often unplayable state. It's the high price tag for a buggy unpolished game. It deserves its bottom 10% of Steam score. Take a step back. Put yourself in a position of a manager in charge of GoG curation, knowing you are trying to add and highlight about 3-4 games a week (1 or 2 of them being retro games) and tell me how Vendetta deserves to be selected over other options?

Similarly Grimoire deserved it's reputation too with its obtuse game mechanics and no manual or tutorial to explain anything. Clunky UI and high price tag. Not to mention lack of confidence anything would actually get fixed given the 20 years of deadlines it missed. Lest I forget the abrasive "PR" from it's developer to its fans. Grimoire resolved the manual and price issues and look, it's here now. Not a great RPG but it's also no Vendetta since it seems to work competently even if some of the balance and UI and game mechanics are clunky and arguably uninspiring. But it really does work unlike Vendetta (and unlike some of the games Ubisoft abandoned).

When a game has issues such as combat breaking on sloped surfaces (or other games where hit boxes are flaky and just don't work), the core game doesn't work. Vendetta is still reported to constantly crash unexpectedly and everything else except the fact it has pirates seems to be of poor quality. "But it has pirates" hardly makes a game worthy of a curated platform. There has to be a limit somewhere. There's "janky and weird" like Two Worlds and the Necrovision games, and there Vendetta which isn't only a little janky but has serious issues all over the place in almost every phase of the game.

If Vendetta were $5.99 or $9.99 and didn't crash all the time and the combat always worked, it might be worth taking a chance on. But that's not the case, and the bugs are unlikely to ever get fixed. It's an extreme example of a number of other games that were abandoned just a little too buggy to ever be good. And frankly, the only reason we are talking about it is because some people want to complain about every rejection and act like a game selling 10 copies makes GoG 10 copies worth of money with no cost.

First, thank you for taking a much more civil tone. It is appreciated. I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers from regarding curation. The ratio can't be close to that when it comes to adding retro games, there are much less, it is not half-and-half like you suggest.

Games, not just Vendetta, should be considered based on the audience HERE, on GOG. You told me to look at it as a GOG manager, no? Predicting what GOG's audience wants would be a very big factor in such a task, no? Fortunately, GOG has tools, imperfect as they may be, such as the forum and the wishlist.


If I recall correctly, the same games you kept pooh-poohing went on to sell quite respectably here, and in some cases outsell better-reviewed "quirky indie" games. This is also part of where "the boy who cried wolf" analogy is relevant, not just with pricing but with sales. "GOG can't accept that game, it won't sell". When it comes to Grimoire and Wizardry (as far as I understand), you've been wrong on that point. So I must ask, do you care about any GOG data besides what is on sale? It seems Scheme data is your source for everything. And before you construct a strawman, yes, it is still data, yes it is A source, but like I've told you all along it is not necessarily an accurate picture to use it as THE source for this store. This point stands for other stores (like itch) too, not just GOG.

We are done here...
You don't have GoG sales numbers.
You constantly misrepresent anything I say. So quit your boy who cried wolf stuff.

First off, I never said Wizardry would not sell here, in fact I said I would accept it because it was a Day 1 title with a brand name and would probably sell even though it's reviews are mediocre. But if GoG rejected it, they likely had a reason and I listed many of them from it being a buggy port to being overpriced or they were somehow aware it had licensing issues to those licensing issue conflict with the contract for selling Wizardry 6-8.

Second, I'm not convinced Grimoire sales are sustainable and beating a couple Indies on release doesn't say much at all. Outside the review bombing from Cleve zealots, most people who bought the game seemed pretty unimpressed. The 2.5 star review score for the new Wizardry game is equally unimpressive. We'll see how long-term sales actually do.

The fact you poo-poo Steam data where the vast majority of people buy their games and have the largest samples sizes shows how little you know. You act like GoG sales are very different from Steam's and they aren't. This has been shown numerous times where people have compared the bestselling lists to Steam ownership and they correlate very well.

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Ok, are you also done decrying Vendetta here? As at least one other user pointed out, you have made your points against the game ad nauseum. I will stop calling out your faulty reasoning when you stop posting it in topics like this one. I don't see that happening though since this topic, just like Grimoire topic was, just like Wizardry topic was, is like putting up a bat signal for you every time someone posts.

You talking about faulty reasoning...
You know nothing.

Wizardry has 2.5 stars on GoG and Grimoire has 3.5 stars and you claim its proof GoG users like those games better than Steam users...both review scores suck...

Vendetta sucks. There are 5 years of Gameplay footage to prove that. There are 55% of all reviews to prove that too.

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I rest my case.

Dude...why are you wasting your time?
If the tone of your last comments is any indicator, your blood pressure must have gone through the roof.
And what for? Trying to win an argument on an online forum?
Is that really worth your health?

Mind you - I'm not judging, who is right or wrong here - but why not simply make your point, and then move on with your life?
Just ignore the people who have their most fun, if they manage to rile you up.
Trust me: that's what they hate most - getting ignored.

You were still wrong.

Yet it came here, and seems to be playable and selling well.

(You will likely see this as trolling/etc, but I offer this bit in good faith as I have also used therapy/etc in the past for my own issues)

Maybe you need anger management, and therapy, and medication....if you get so angry at criticism and see trolls everywhere? :\

The "problem" here, imo, is that you seem to see that you were wrong on some things about other eventual game acceptances by GOG(that stuff would be fixed, that such would get a good price, and that such would sell decently enough), yet you cling to your beliefs here as if you will be right THIS TIME, even though you were wrong in the past.

YES, you might be right on some of it, but the fact you can't seemingly admit you COULD be wrong(in whole or part) on games not yet accepted speaks volumes I think.

He has a point.....also it's not "attacking" someone to point out when they're being rude(even if it was people pointing out if I was ever rude).

You need to honestly seek help if you cannot discern criticism in a civil manner from personal attacks.

Yes, he is somewhat right on that. :)

Also good questions. :)

Agreed...I don't mind people criticizing me or disagreeing if they do it fairly/civilly(as even Rwarehall seems to try to do sometimes).

This post(barring a few bits I disagree on) was very civil and well written/thought out......if all your posts were like this i'd gladly debate you more & any time. :)

I find it "odd" you reply such to the user who is insulting people and telling them to "fk off" over and over...why not say such to the entire room in general?

Thank you, yet somehow they got skipped over. Maybe that was a glitch too :)