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dedoporno: I agree with but so far I only looked at what things will be like in the future. I didn't consider he will be forcing the lynch by pre-emptively playing ahead for the conversion.
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adaliabooks: He has no choice.
He can only help town as long as we lynch him, otherwise it is against his interests to do so. He will not participate in a lynch of someone he thinks might be scum, because he might be on their team tomorrow. In fact I would guess he's not going to vote or participate in any lynch.

I know you guys probably all think I'm crazy, but there is method to my madness. I'm not just shouting nonsense into the bushes for no reason whatsoever...
I guess this does make sense, I hoped he’d play for town until he is actually converted but if he isn’t going to then there is no use keeping him around.
Unvote sage
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trentonlf: I don't even care anymore. Let's just let the lurkers lurk and have someone not invested in playing the game dictate what we do, that is what mafia is all about anyway right?

I just love losing as town, pretty sure I've lost more than I've won at this game so I obviously have no grasp on how to play it.

Unvote Krypsyn
Vote flubbucket


I'm just going to go stand in this pasture and eat some grass, that's about as useful as I can be it seems.
I hear grass fed beef is quite tasty.......or are you mutton??
Because there is a small chance he is scum, because he could be playing for with aim of being converted and because even if he isn't it's just going to create confusion "was he converted or not" tomorrow

unvote adalia
vote flub
Unvote: adaliabooks
Vote: flubbucket

flubbucket - 6 Votes (trentonlf 123/213; Bookwyrm627 187; adaliabooks 265; mchack 268/316; Krypsyn 308/382; ZFR 312/363; trentonlf 464; Hunter65536 466; ZFR 468; Krypsyn 469)
I should hammer......


but that's just not my style.
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flubbucket: I should hammer......
No. Please don't.
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flubbucket: I should hammer......
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Krypsyn: No. Please don't.
I won't bunny.
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flubbucket: I won't bunny.
Thanks, flibbertigibbet.
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trentonlf: I don't even care anymore. Let's just let the lurkers lurk and have someone not invested in playing the game dictate what we do, that is what mafia is all about anyway right?

I just love losing as town, pretty sure I've lost more than I've won at this game so I obviously have no grasp on how to play it.

Unvote Krypsyn
Vote flubbucket


I'm just going to go stand in this pasture and eat some grass, that's about as useful as I can be it seems.
unvote flub.
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trentonlf: I don't even care anymore. Let's just let the lurkers lurk and have someone not invested in playing the game dictate what we do, that is what mafia is all about anyway right?

I just love losing as town, pretty sure I've lost more than I've won at this game so I obviously have no grasp on how to play it.

Unvote Krypsyn
Vote flubbucket


I'm just going to go stand in this pasture and eat some grass, that's about as useful as I can be it seems.
Sorry, hit Post my message too soon and had to wait those 10 minutes.

I just realized this, you wrote, and I quote you here:
"Before any lynch happens we need to hear from all the quiet players. Hunter, dedo, Leonard, Krypsyn, Sage, and bookwyrm. But I guess you want a rushed lynch for some reason?"

So having heard from everyone except Bookwyrm (and Krypsyn, who is obviously not going to say much), why did you still not hammer adalia?

Now I find that extremely scummy.

So yeah, please explain why were you so against lynching flub (did you as perefer to recruit him?), but later all of a sudden decide to lynch him?

Until then,

vote trentonlf
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adaliabooks: Also, those asking flub for reads; you do realise by leaving him alive he is likely to be scum tomorrow. He's not playing for our team any more. Why would he do anything to help town if he expects not to be town tomorrow?
from his perspective he is helping town right now, so he is playing for our team. I don't like his play, though.
you on the other hand are not playing for our team, I say! You think killing town is helping town. Flub is at least not voting to lynch a town player!

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flubbucket: It's obvious lynching scum is better.
then why don't you?

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adaliabooks: Even if he is not converted he can't wholeheartedly play for town any more.
yes he can! maybe by day 2 if not lynched and if we all know he isn't converted, he'll think. oh my why not try and hunt some scum for the fun of it....

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adaliabooks: True, but only because he wishes to die while still part of that team.
If we lynch him today he is still town and wins with the rest of us (assuming we do win), otherwise he is likely to become scum and assisting us further plays against his future win condition.
Lie! he is not suicidal. he said so himself
Second also wrong because, he plays for fun, not to win, he said so himself.

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adaliabooks: I know you guys probably all think I'm crazy, but there is method to my madness. I'm not just shouting nonsense into the bushes for no reason whatsoever...
nope, not crazy, just scum. and very open and loud about it!

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trentonlf: I don't even care anymore.
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I'm just going to go stand in this pasture and eat some grass, that's about as useful as I can be it seems.
Don't you dare go cow now! You know killing town is bad for town. So don't do it! don't do scums work for them!

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adaliabooks: He has no choice.
He can only help town as long as we lynch him, otherwise it is against his interests to do so. He will not participate in a lynch of someone he thinks might be scum, because he might be on their team tomorrow. In fact I would guess he's not going to vote or participate in any lynch.

I know you guys probably all think I'm crazy, but there is method to my madness. I'm not just shouting nonsense into the bushes for no reason whatsoever...
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Hunter65536: I guess this does make sense, I hoped he’d play for town until he is actually converted but if he isn’t going to then there is no use keeping him around.
Unvote sage
Vote flubbucket
YOU SIR, are being played by scum. Consider this I play for fun
and not to win

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ZFR: Because there is a small chance he is scum, because he could be playing for with aim of being converted and because even if he isn't it's just going to create confusion "was he converted or not" tomorrow

unvote adalia
vote flub
Let me pull flubs game around for you. How about everyone that votes flub is scum? oh wait there have to be townies on that wagon for that to happen, because there is only 4 scum. You are new. Doesn't make you town. Decide already who you think is scum and then vote them.
Do you really think we have a higher chance hitting scum with flubs than we have with adalia?!? Do you?

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Krypsyn: Unvote: adaliabooks
Vote: flubbucket

flubbucket - 6 Votes (trentonlf 123/213; Bookwyrm627 187; adaliabooks 265; mchack 268/316; Krypsyn 308/382; ZFR 312/363; trentonlf 464; Hunter65536 466; ZFR 468; Krypsyn 469)
You! ahh fuck it, you know, when you play like that you can stop playing, too. I can write you a script that just votes for the highest wagon for you, and does the votecounts. You don't need to play if you play like that!

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flubbucket: I should hammer......

but that's just not my style.
good thing you didn't. I'd be so mad. You know I just went to sleep after my last post. Wake up and all are scum all of a sudden, trying hard to mislynch. >:(

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ZFR: ... So having heard from everyone except Bookwyrm ...
yeah where is he anyway? last post is #302 - a full 3 days ago. Shouldn't he be prodded by now?
@all:

We can't know what will happen tonight and so we can't know if flub will be a liability tomorrow or not. We can decide on that tomorrow after the flips and if it looks as if someone got converted, on his behavior.
killing him is now only makes it one less town and scum is nearer their goal of killing off all of town.
Someone said we should keep scums decision on what to do tonight as complex as possible so that there is a higher chance for error. Removing flub, just removes complexity from their choice. Sure one might try and convert flubs. but so might the other team! in which case another scum will die!

Keep scum guessing and take high risks at night and lynch scum during the day. That is what I propose. (we may only have 4 days to do that and there are 4 scum now. Let's not waste lynches on townies)

Adalias position:
Kill town vanillas as soon as we find any (which makes scums choice easier and doesn't help town in any way.) and tomorrow when "hopefully" 3 town are dead, he even suggested to let the masons claim, which would be incredibly stupid.
Can't you see that is scum talking?
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mchack: .............. flub will be a liability tomorrow ................
Lifthrasil will argue that point with you.

But only when he's playing in the game....=D






(Luv U Lift, great game, call me)
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mchack: .............. flub will be a liability tomorrow ................
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flubbucket: Lifthrasil will argue that point with you.

But only when he's playing in the game....=D
what? I said we can't know wether you will or will not be a liability. We will know tomorrow.

btw. ebwop:
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mchack: ...Sure one might try and convert flubs. but so might the other team! in which case another scum will die!...
I rechecked the setup on my assumption. the above will only be true if the other team will try and recruit flub the next night. If they both try and recruit flub in one night:

"Someone targeted by two recruitments at the same time, dies."

flub will simply die. no liability anymore and better yet, two scumshots wasted on one townie.

So who here is really thinking it would be a great thing, to remove this complexity from scum? who here thinks it is townie to do scums work and let scum have a free pick at all the other seven town players tonight?
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HypersomniacLive: 1. What resolution order are you using?
2. Does a Convert have full access to the respective scum chat during the Night they're converted? (it's not clear in the setup doc)
1.) I'm mean, so conversions are quick and death is slow and painful. I.e. Conversions resolve first, NKs second.
2.) No. (S)he just wakes up with a new conviction, but only gets access to the chat in the following night.