QT is quick topic, it's where the scum teams will chat at night (and the masons during the day).

No, even in a normal game you can give a lot away; who has or might have PRs, who is the towniest player and the best NK, who is scummy enough you might be able to push a lynch.

Town should always be careful what they say.

Of course they are, but that doesn't mean they see everything or think of everything.

QT is a website called Quick Topic that is normally used for scum (or anyone with chat abilities) to privately chat at night/day.

I see. By "normal" I had a completely normal game in mind. The 75% vanilla townies and 25% mafia kind.

The second and third point still apply even in a completely role-less game.

Right, so no one should ever post anything in the game to try and find scum or help town at all because it might help scum. Makes perfect sense to me to play that way now, why didn't I think of that before....

Of course not, but we should all at least be careful of what we say.

There is a difference between playing the game and scum hunting and say, naming a list of people you think are masons. The first is fine, the second definitely not.

I'm sorry if I seem a little on the overly cautious side but I just think that there are certain things your not supposed to say out loud in mafia games...

it isn't. claiming vanilla town is viable. flub seems to do fine and he was as near to lynch as you are.

you sure think alot about what to do tonight as scum. In both cases we are better off, though:
a)conversion works but scum gets nk. (scumnumber stays the same) is way better than conversion works and scum simply have one more player (scum+1) which is what would happen if the scum didn't have to claim at all because no-one is scumhunting but only lynching the player that is most likely to be town vanilla.
b)conversion doesn't work. granted scumbuddy does know one person that is either scum or mason but doesn't know which of the two, but all of town knows one scum that just claimed mason before (by the flip) and can look at all his conversations/ interactions with other players again searching and hopefully finding that buddy

it doesn't stand. no matter whether we lynch vanillas or not. It's all about circumstance and how the player acts. If you claimed vanilla right now, I wouldn't take my vote off you. I simply wouldn't believe you. could be different for others doing that to avoid lynch. It's all about what a player says and does all day long. not about what they claim.

you think about this game as if only the numbers count and no interactions scumtells etc happen every day, and also as if scum has infinite recruiting capabilities and can go on converting townies night after night and as if they are not going around trying to kill each other...

but ok: Which day is that, when 4-7 people claimed mason, all three real ones are in there and two of the real masons are already dead and now town decides to lynch off all remaining 2-5 mason-claimers one by one, day after day which will eventually hit the real one and does give scum time to convert? Which day? how many people are left anyway? (with potentially 3 ppl dying each day/night circle) and how many scum? have we hit any scum yet?
Depends on a lot of things doesn't it? town should have loads of information by then... to react in which ever way is best for town.

both of which (scumteams) trying hard to kill each other off.

Also your way of preventing conversion is by lynching townies. my way is try hard and lynch scum. Which is better to prevent conversions? remember only Original Gangsters have the conversion shot. A dead OG is one possible conversion gone from the game forever. (leaving 3 for the rest of the game) A dead townie is only making the pool for conversion smaller (leaving 4 for the rest of the game) but also making it way harder for town to win this.

c) lynching scum

Guess what, I'm for c!

Which game are you thinking of? Give me some info, like setup, what role you had, something memorable that happened.


You must be a slower reader than me then, and English isn't even my native tongue.

You appeared perplexed by the idea of flubbucket seriously suggesting to be lynched, and took his position to be a joke initially. I referred you to game #51, because flubbucket may be joking around a lot, but he's also an intelligent, experienced and tactical player.

This is the town-mindset side of things. He could well be scum counting on enough people connecting the dots in this specific way and not lynch him in the end, and I certainly don't put it past him, because he's an intelligent, experienced and tactical player.

(I see ZFR made a similar point in his post #431)


For someone that has gone over the thread, and has replied or commented on almost everything since they last were on, you're seriously "Oh, and I think" regarding my third and last question I asked you in the very same post you already responded to by quoting it twice?

I asked you about that bit in a very specific context in this particular game setup. I'll be waiting for your reply to it.


When you voted adaliabooks you attributed it to antsy-scum vibes (post #206). When I asked you about them, you said it was just a feeling (post #219). But here you say that you do have reasons. Care to share them with the rest of us?


Why weren't you expecting ZFR to vote adaliabooks?


I'm not quite there yet.



Yes and no.


If at least five people found a player very scummy and happen to be right, isn't it equally possible that at least two more look closer into him, which may well result in said player getting lynched, hence remove them from the picture before Night fall, and reduce the scum numbers by one?



There's always a chance they have overlooked or missed something; it has happened.
And while they certainly think things over and exchange ideas, with two 2-man scum teams, the ideas floating among each team may well be more limited than say in a single 4-man team.

Being cautious can't harm us.

I don't normally do lists, I find they give too much information to scum. The only reason I posted a list earlier on who I thought might be scum is because I see myself being killed tonight and a dead me can't give that list. But there's no way I would ever post a list of possible town PR's (nor could I see most anyone else doing it, even scum).

You also seem to think the only thing we can do is scum hunt, when in fact i think we need to be town hunting as well. If you are town and are pretty sure who else might be town then you are able to find scum a whole lot easier. But being afraid to post about what scum might do or not do is just another smoke screen for scum to hide behind.

To underestimate scum is the detriment of town. I am by far one of the lesser deep thinkers in this game when it comes to strategy and seeing patterns in interactions, and if I can think of something that is possible I am pretty sure most anyone else here can think of the same thing.

There's also a difference in being cautious and being afraid to talk about anything. For me as long as we are not talking about our PM's or any power roles I could care less what is mentioned.

Three Mafia players are stranded in a Mafia game. They are wary and find a target. They want to lynch, but how?
Player 1 says: “Let’s start throwing accusations around. It will force the target to slip up, and then we can lynch him/her”.
“Are you crazy?” says player 2. “All the accusations will spread and cause confusion, and we will have nothing concrete to base actions on. We should discuss our possible roles openly to form a strategy. In this way we will have more information in future Days.”
“Both of you are wrong!” states player 3. “What the hell do we know might be helpful to scum in this scenario?! The solution is simple: Assume we have a Mason…”

I think it loses something this way, but close enough.

now, I do. was not scum in #30 and no leonard was not playing that game either.
Leonard can look up which game he actually meant by himself. Won't interfere in that anymore ;)

in that same post I was answering to, flub said:
So I told him, he isn't dungeon master in this game.
meaning he may well have the intention of "making sure everyone has a good time" and think his play is best for everyone, but that he can't make us do what he wants. He can't decide who gets lynched. He isn't the dungeon master here.

That's a good point actually when weighing pros and cons, I had forgotten about that particularity.

@flub, everyone is talking about the context of your lynch but I think we haven't asked what your own reads are. Given your situation sharing your reads shouldn't be that helpful to scum anyway so there is no reason not to do it, but as HSL puts it, having them on record would be useful, especially in a situation where you're still alive Tomorrow.

yep it would, I asked him twice before. He didn't give any names. Maybe you have more luck...

Given my situation?!?!

Please explain....

Global understanding that you are Vanilla Town that may be lynched because of reasons or may not be lynched because of other reasons in which case may or not be converted by the scum.