My honour . . . . regained

I just found it curious that the behaviour of person X can be read diametrically differently by persons Y and Z. If we assume he was town, that would mean that one person was very sure he was town, enough to risk converting him, knowing that if he was wrong he would die. The other was very sure he was scum/mason (incidentally, was he NKing with the aim of killing rival scum or mason?) to go for the NK. Both of these reads were based on same behaviour by Hunter. Why?

I'm pretty sure 2(a) is what happened; you, adalia and trent all said he wasn't really on your radars. And to be honest I agree with you; he didn't catch my attention one way or another. So he wasn't really threat enough for someone to NK him.
No, it looks to me like both scum teams went for the conversions; one succeeded and one failed. This means Hunter's partner is left alone now, and with the knowledge of who one scum/mason is. Would he be desperate enough to try conversion again, or wait quietly? Could depend on how threatened he is today.

I actually have more insights regarding this, but I can't discuss it without touching on the topic of masons, so if you want me to be quiet I will.

Part of that was that the mason talk was coming in the literal final hours of the Day, right before night fall when scum can start picking them off (or more easily identifying non-mason townies) before we can do anything with/about the information. That was pretty much the absolute worst possible time for such conversation, and Trent Don't-Talk-About-Roles-On-Day-1 onlf decides it is a good time to claim.

And yeah, I'm moving my vote because that is still ridiculous.

Unvote Mchack
Vote Trent

Does the smearing involve peanut butter or jam? If the answer is no then I'm disappointed, but not surprised since I didn't expect you to answer truthfully :(

So I'm still a Mason? Sweet! So why do you want to lynch a Mason? Is it because you have peanut butter and jam issues?

Alternatively, one team wasn't certain enough to attempt a conversion, so they just murdered someone. Hunter was floating enough that his death wouldn't tell us much about who might have done it, which may be a reason if he was targeted for a kill.

Also, I forgot one possibility: 2c) Hunter may have been scum that failed a conversion AND was targeted for a NK. Duplication on the kill, no conversion, but the mutant scum have a confirmation on someone not being vanilla. In this case, the cyborgs wouldn't know whether the conversion was successful or not.

Actually, lets throw the mod some questions:
Lift, two questions for you:
1) If a vanilla townie is targeted by two conversions, will that be apparent from the flip?
2) Are all members of the relevant scum team told if a conversion is successful?

"emphasis added"


1) "I think" allows you to stay safely in the wiggle zone.
2) lynch flubbucket the low hanging fruit
3) scare tactics

Vote: adaliabooks

What are your thoughts on peanut butter and jam? How about bookwrym and his aversion to it? How about bookwyrm himself? Is the wiggle zone similar to the g-spot?

Good morning everyone.

I think this is a splendid outcome for the first day/night cycle. 1 scum dead + 1 town maybe converted(but maybe not).
seeing as adalia was aiming for 3 dead town vanilla yesterday as the best outcome, I'd say glad not everyone listened to this ridiculus theory.

Now for today I think we can all agree (with most likely only 2 conversion shots left in game and most likely 4 vanilla left in game) that lynching off who we think is town vanilla is NOT an option that will help town. It wasn't yesterday, but today it is even less so. it'd be ridiculous. So only voting who you think is scum today!

Next, I see adalia is complaining about no-lynch. There was an option/possibility to lynch scum yesterday with HSL and all of you (this also goes to bookwyrm and dedo) are people willing to lynch a townie yesterday (flubs + trent) So how is it you didn't go for HSL? only reason I can think of is you fearing he may flip scum and trying hard to not let this happen. him flipping town wouldn't be worse than me flipping town or flubs or trent or sage (who wyrm also tried for in the end) you had no problem with that. so why not HSL? why rather no-lynch than flipping HSL?

vote adaliabooks

Actually, I must apologise for besmirching your honour, I forgot trent all but claimed vanilla too before nights end and of the two of you so far he seems far more likely to be converted than you are.

Do you really need to ask that question?
Really?

Also, begging us not to kill your nice fresh convert? That's a little on the nose.


And... anyone else getting deja vu? I could swear this is how yesterday began too.

Well, all of that was more or less unexpected.

I won't have time to read or post until tonight since the CEO of our clients is here today, so I'll be able to post more after the end of the work day. Just one quick thought which may already been touched on - the fact that mchack didn't get lynched at L-1 for that long has planted doubts in me.

Doubts as to what? His scuminess I assume as you were one of those on his wagon.

To be honest we had so many wagons reach L-2 and L-1 yesterday and no lynch that I'm not sure what to read into any of it...

Vote trentonlf

But consideration of the information already available today suggests flub is actually playing (and for town, though he may well have been converted by mchack's team and is pushing their party line) and trent is not his usual self.

While hitting an original scum would definitely be better, I'll settle for hitting any scum at all today.

1) let me quote the rules: 2) This is one little detail that Town has no way of knowing and which I won't reveal.

I'm kind of old fashioned when it comes to peanut butter. I eat is straight off the cat. As to why bookwyrm627 hates it... I can't speak to that, unless he's a cat hater. And regarding women's zones, well I don't like to brag.....but I did date a girl once.

or anyone else may be converted. which is exactly why I don't want to go hunting new converts today. Also as the other scum team (hunters, which was most likely unsuccessful in recruiting) doesn't know which (if any) got hit, I'd love them to have the chance of trying to convert the same one and Boom another dead scum :)

yes I do. I am actually asking you a question: Why was HSL off the table for you yesterday but now you complain about no-lynch? you had the chance. you rather had no-lynch but lynch hsl. what is it with you and hsl?

same question applies to dedo and bookwyrm and really krypsyn, too (though I somehow figured he tried to look scummy to evade conversion, could be wrong there, though)

1. as for fresh convert, see above. I think lynching one of the original scum is much easier than finding a possible convert today.
2. nope, yesterday began with you setting me up for mislynch by painting a joke of mine as genuine scum slip.