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Oh Lift... Say it ain't so. You're trent's buddy aren't you? How could I have got it so wrong...

I did wonder when you responded by saying OK let's vote drealmer but trent is an emergency vote at best, but this latest twist seems just a bit too convenient coming after Hyper's vote for trent.

@drealmer
I'm sorry. Looks like I may have added 2 + 2 and got 5 with you and Trent after all. Are you still set on lynching me?

@RWarehall
I'm not convinced drealmer is scum anymore and I'm not sure we'll get enough votes to lynch him, will you join us on Trent?

@gogtrial
What about you? Is it me or trent?
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adaliabooks: @gogtrial
What about you? Is it me or trent?
For the moment, most probably, you. You're the simpler solution, and have said and done too many things which don't ring true. But if you're town, I truly appreciate the work you've done and the case you've made, and if you end up being right, I expect we'll still end up winning the game because of that. I'll take my time fully digesting it (particularly given HSL's backing). I might still see things of my own which will sway me. But my expectation - right now - is that I'll stick to voting the simple solution first, and will go from there if I'm wrong.

I do not expect I'll decide to hammer you before Saturday, and I'd strongly urge you to not hammer yourself either, and give this the time to play out.
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adaliabooks: @gogtrial
What about you? Is it me or trent?
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gogtrial34987: For the moment, most probably, you. You're the simpler solution, and have said and done too many things which don't ring true. But if you're town, I truly appreciate the work you've done and the case you've made, and if you end up being right, I expect we'll still end up winning the game because of that. I'll take my time fully digesting it (particularly given HSL's backing). I might still see things of my own which will sway me. But my expectation - right now - is that I'll stick to voting the simple solution first, and will go from there if I'm wrong.

I do not expect I'll decide to hammer you before Saturday, and I'd strongly urge you to not hammer yourself either, and give this the time to play out.
Don't worry, the only reason I would vote myself at this point would be to avoid No Lynch. It's LYLO tomorrow whether we lynch a townie or no one today so it's better to have a flip then to not.

I can understand where you are coming from, and hoping it is from a town place, but it may well come down to you tomorrow if I get lynched today. If Lift is scum then I would certainly expect Hyper to be the NK. So you'll need to win drealmer and RWarehall round... assuming Lift is trent's buddy after all.
If it is you, we've probably lost already...
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adaliabooks: Oh Lift... Say it ain't so. You're trent's buddy aren't you? How could I have got it so wrong...
Nice melodram there :-) and well played. No, you weren't wrong and I guess you know it. But in case you're town after all: what are your thoughts on RW now, with all his absence? On my last read-through I stumbled again on how you worked to deflect votes from him and I still don't get, why you are SO sure that he's town, that you would rather risk being lynched yourself. As town you couldn't be so sure. The only way you can be really sure about RW's alignment is, if you are scum.
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Lifthrasil: Nice melodram there :-) and well played. No, you weren't wrong and I guess you know it. But in case you're town after all: what are your thoughts on RW now, with all his absence? On my last read-through I stumbled again on how you worked to deflect votes from him and I still don't get, why you are SO sure that he's town, that you would rather risk being lynched yourself. As town you couldn't be so sure. The only way you can be really sure about RW's alignment is, if you are scum.
Nope. I could still be wrong, gogtrial has also shown signs he might be trent's buddy, but less strongly than your response.

Because it makes no sense for him to be scum. I think we all agree Hyper isn't scum (and if he is, hats off. He has played a fantastic game and deserves the win). So RWarehall could be scum with me (I know he is not), gogtrial or drealmer. The chances of him being scum with drealmer are so slim after the way they have been at each other all game that they also deserve to win if that is an act, so really the only logical pair is gogtrial. Which was a possibility and was the reason I was somewhat willing to go ahead with his lynch earlier in the day on the slim chance he was scum.
Then gogtrial voted him. And put him in real danger of being lynched. And that twigged my alarm bells, I was fairly sure one of him or drealmer was scum (not so sure of that now but it's still entirely possible) and if both of them were voting RW than I couldn't really see anyway for RW to be scum too as there was no real need to bus him at that point.
Plus a huge part of what everyone saw as scummy about him was his apparent association with me, and knowing that was purely (co)incidental also makes me see him in a different light than anyone else will.
On top of anything else if he flipped town I'd still look bad and end up being lynched probably and town would lose tomorrow, so I needed to do something drastic to move us onto a better course. Which I believe I have.

Does his play seem townie? Not particularly. But it also doesn't seem like the scum RW I'm used to. There is an off chance that he is bored of being scum (seems he has rolled it a lot recently) and just can't be bothered, but I can't really believe that of him as he doesn't struggle as scum as much as I did.

Let me ask you this, if I am scum, why would I want RWarehall not to be lynched? Even if we are buddies then my lynch is only going to incriminate him. If he is town why would I risk being lynched to save his neck?
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Lifthrasil: snip
Also, what I said to gogtrial applies to you too if you are town.
RWarehall and drealmer both appear to have gone a little AWOL and I don't see either of them stopping tunnelling each other with out significant persuasion.
Which will likely lead to a loss for town if they are both indeed town.
I'm a little pressed for time right now, so no quotes and keeping it rather short, but will check back later (my) tonight to go over things more thoroughly.

@trentonlf - perhaps I'm misreading you, but I don't think so. If I am, you need to do a better job with your town-play as to not mislead those of us that have played with you as scum.

@gogtrial34987 - three things:
- I've not specifically mentioned you, because the game is dynamic, and keeping a (close) eye on what's happening influences my view on it and the players.
- I'm aware that you probably can't read trentonlf the way I do. Just think about where the "simplest solution" has gotten us so far, and give my PoV a try; it may turn out not to be one of "my paranoid constructs".
- I'd like to ask you to let the Day continue over the weekend; I'm a little pressed for time during the day today and tomorrow, plus see below.

@adaliabooks - two things:
- What is more interesting, if not telling, is hat Lifthrasil put you at L-1 in his very first post of today, using a reason he finds damning for you (the whole surprise thing), but somehow not for trentonlf, who thus still remains only an emergency lynch for him. Fully knowing that gogtrial34987 is more likely to vote you over trentonlf. And after waffling, once again, over drealmer7 at length, right after saying what a distraction he is.
- I'd say that if you get lynched and I get NK-ed, it would, at the very least, suggest that I'm on to something here, and gogtrial34987 should take it into serious consideration, as should drealmer7 and RWarehall. Regardless of how incriminating that may look for scum, the better scum strategy is to keep the one they (believe to) have a better chance to sway their opinion and vote, of course.

@Lifthrasil - nothing comment-worth about my post?


As said already, I'll be back later to go over things, plus have a few other things to say.
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HypersomniacLive: @adaliabooks - two things:
- What is more interesting, if not telling, is hat Lifthrasil put you at L-1 in his very first post of today, using a reason he finds damning for you (the whole surprise thing), but somehow not for trentonlf, who thus still remains only an emergency lynch for him. Fully knowing that gogtrial34987 is more likely to vote you over trentonlf. And after waffling, once again, over drealmer7 at length, right after saying what a distraction he is.
- I'd say that if you get lynched and I get NK-ed, it would, at the very least, suggest that I'm on to something here, and gogtrial34987 should take it into serious consideration, as should drealmer7 and RWarehall. Regardless of how incriminating that may look for scum, the better scum strategy is to keep the one they (believe to) have a better chance to sway their opinion and vote, of course.
Not just that, his first response to my post yesterday was:

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Lifthrasil: Hm. Extensive analysis and you make a compelling case. Either you are town and are on to something, or you are scum and have just written a quite elaborate misleading piece. In any case well done. Well enough to offset that self-vote slip (I still see that as scummy). At least for the moment.

unvote adalia

But that doesn't mean, that you suddenly are cleared for me. Especially since I do disagree with your choice of target. Yes, you have made a good case that trent+drealmer is a possible scum pair. But even if they are, I would go for drealmer first.. I think it's better to lynch one of my three main suspects than to go for a second tier 'might be scum as well' suspect. After all, drealmer could very well be your scum-buddy too and all this piece about trent might be an elaborate scheme to distract from yourself and drealmer. Like: "Yes, sure, drealmer is totally scummy. But I'm surely not his buddy, look, trent would totally fit too!" So lynching trent first, based on a theory from you, would feel very risky to me.

So, how about that: we lynch drealmer first. If he flips scum (good chance that he will), you might be on to something and we lynch trent next. We can afford one mislynch then and if trent flips town, then I think my theory that it was drealmer and you after all is probably correct. And should drealmer flip town, we'll have to come back to RW and you.

I want to hear what trent (and HSL and gogtrial) have to say. Then I'll probably put my vote on drealmer. Unless someone points out something big I missed.
So I've been convincing enough for him to unvote me and consider lynching drealmer and only lynch trent if he is scum.

But today

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Lifthrasil: But those walls of text between adalia and trent have made me go back to the start of the Day and made me realize something. adalia, you said now, that you weren't surprised at the start of the Day that Hunter flipped town. But that's not what you said in your first post. There you said 'I am mildly surprised, but not too much' ... quite non-committal. And you accuse trent of overplaying his surprise - but you did it yourself concerning the NK choice! Quite strongly, too and now you explained yourself why overplaying surprise is scummy.

So, I was quite willing to listen to your drealmer+trent theory. But after going back to the start of the day and the lack of participation of RW, I come back to the conclusion that I think you+RW is the more likely scum team than trent+drealmer. Especially since the story, that made me seriously consider trent+drealmer, came from you, who is still one of my main suspects.

Therefore back to:
vote adalia

If you flip scum, trent is cleared and RW dies next (at least that would be my preference).
If you flip town, either trent or drealmer die tomorrow. (or me, because I pushed you, but then we lose. But all others would say the same about themselves)
After you vote trent and it looks like that wagon might have legs he suddenly decides that I must be scum after all.

It really looks to me like he had hoped to sway me and others round to voting drealmer instead of trent and then set me up for the fall tomorrow. When you spoiled that for him he hoped to quickly finish me off instead, with gogtrial likely to hammer me that seems reasonably likely.

Yeah, killing you or not will come down to all kinds of WIFOM I suppose. Quite frankly I don't know why they didn't kill you last night, I sure as hell would have if I had been scum, so I'm obviously not on the same wavelength as them.
I'll post something tonight. Got called into work a little early and have not had a chance to parse the craziness.
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Lifthrasil: Nice melodram there :-) and well played. No, you weren't wrong and I guess you know it. But in case you're town after all: what are your thoughts on RW now, with all his absence? On my last read-through I stumbled again on how you worked to deflect votes from him and I still don't get, why you are SO sure that he's town, that you would rather risk being lynched yourself. As town you couldn't be so sure. The only way you can be really sure about RW's alignment is, if you are scum.
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adaliabooks: Nope. I could still be wrong, gogtrial has also shown signs he might be trent's buddy, but less strongly than your response.

Because it makes no sense for him to be scum. I think we all agree Hyper isn't scum (and if he is, hats off. He has played a fantastic game and deserves the win). So RWarehall could be scum with me (I know he is not), gogtrial or drealmer. The chances of him being scum with drealmer are so slim after the way they have been at each other all game that they also deserve to win if that is an act, so really the only logical pair is gogtrial. Which was a possibility and was the reason I was somewhat willing to go ahead with his lynch earlier in the day on the slim chance he was scum.
Then gogtrial voted him. And put him in real danger of being lynched. And that twigged my alarm bells, I was fairly sure one of him or drealmer was scum (not so sure of that now but it's still entirely possible) and if both of them were voting RW than I couldn't really see anyway for RW to be scum too as there was no real need to bus him at that point.
Plus a huge part of what everyone saw as scummy about him was his apparent association with me, and knowing that was purely (co)incidental also makes me see him in a different light than anyone else will.
On top of anything else if he flipped town I'd still look bad and end up being lynched probably and town would lose tomorrow, so I needed to do something drastic to move us onto a better course. Which I believe I have.

Does his play seem townie? Not particularly. But it also doesn't seem like the scum RW I'm used to. There is an off chance that he is bored of being scum (seems he has rolled it a lot recently) and just can't be bothered, but I can't really believe that of him as he doesn't struggle as scum as much as I did.

Let me ask you this, if I am scum, why would I want RWarehall not to be lynched? Even if we are buddies then my lynch is only going to incriminate him. If he is town why would I risk being lynched to save his neck?
You ask why you wouldn't want RW lynched if you're scum, yet accuse me of being scum and I've been saying this whole time that I think RW is town. Why is this a town tell for you but it's just me buddying up to him? Did you all of a sudden realize how bad you were going to look when RW flipped town so decided he was a bad lynch after all? You keep making arguments to clear yourself based on double standards.
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trentonlf: You ask why you wouldn't want RW lynched if you're scum, yet accuse me of being scum and I've been saying this whole time that I think RW is town. Why is this a town tell for you but it's just me buddying up to him? Did you all of a sudden realize how bad you were going to look when RW flipped town so decided he was a bad lynch after all? You keep making arguments to clear yourself based on double standards.
That's not even anything to do with what I said.
I asked why would I fight so hard, and put my neck on the line, to stop RW lynch if I am scum?
I don't think that me reading RWarehall is a town tell, I think there is a case to be made that only someone who is town would have gone to the lengths I did to try and stop another players lynch (in this game anyway, with no power roles to protect), but that's up to you lot to decide.
I wasn't going to look particularly bad at all after RWarehall's lynch. No worse than I already did anyway. I was fairly ambivalent about him as a target at first but was happy enough to go along with it until I realised it would put us in a very tight spot come LYLO tomorrow.

Come on trent, try a bit harder.
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trentonlf: You ask why you wouldn't want RW lynched if you're scum, yet accuse me of being scum and I've been saying this whole time that I think RW is town. Why is this a town tell for you but it's just me buddying up to him? Did you all of a sudden realize how bad you were going to look when RW flipped town so decided he was a bad lynch after all? You keep making arguments to clear yourself based on double standards.
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adaliabooks: That's not even anything to do with what I said.
I asked why would I fight so hard, and put my neck on the line, to stop RW lynch if I am scum?
I don't think that me reading RWarehall is a town tell, I think there is a case to be made that only someone who is town would have gone to the lengths I did to try and stop another players lynch (in this game anyway, with no power roles to protect), but that's up to you lot to decide.
I wasn't going to look particularly bad at all after RWarehall's lynch. No worse than I already did anyway. I was fairly ambivalent about him as a target at first but was happy enough to go along with it until I realised it would put us in a very tight spot come LYLO tomorrow.

Come on trent, try a bit harder.
You can twist it how you want as you've done most things to fit your story, I think you've improved your scum game but in the end I don't think it will be enough.
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trentonlf: You can twist it how you want as you've done most things to fit your story, I think you've improved your scum game but in the end I don't think it will be enough.
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(It's Chubby Checker - Let's Twist Again, if you can't be bothered to click it)
post restrictions for those who can sit at their computer all day every day! eeeeesh!

been busy and not able to catch up until probably tomorrow

try to keep the novellas under 20 pages a pop, thanks!
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drealmer7: post restrictions for those who can sit at their computer all day every day! eeeeesh!

been busy and not able to catch up until probably tomorrow

try to keep the novellas under 20 pages a pop, thanks!
Here, I'll do a short version for you.

Tl;dr
trent and (probably) Lift are scum, vote trent.

;)

Sorry for the long posts... I got a bit carried away XD