I would have to say no, unless the bathroom was not in the same room....

But honestly I would say it's more flavor to let someone know they've been blocked or jailed than it is to indicate any intent of the person being blocked/jailed.

He might have been lying about what specifically??

What makes you say you don't think that's the case??

Okay I laughed.

Well thank you for putting my mind at ease.

Whaaat? Where did I do that.

I see yogsloth is urging people to join the adalia wagon. I'm not comfortable to do that yet, without re reading a bit.
I do want to apologize for disappearing somewhat, wifi at work seems to suddenly have become unreliable. Thus only one post, and quite a while ago. I'm tired now, but I might have time to post tomorrow morning.

On the first point, I went back and read all your posts related to Ix, and the good news for you is that I'm not seeing what he means either. In post #349 you quote Ix talking about role fishing, but as best I can tell his portrayal isn't what happened.

I'd like to hear Ix explain what he means. While we all screw up and misinterpret from time to time, there seems to be a real pattern here with Ix twisting or at least misrepresenting things.

But...hey Leonard. The bad news is that in the process I re-read all your D2 posts. (HSL is apparently "ribbed for her pleasure").

It sure would be nice to hear what you think about anything on the table now. In post 674 you said Flub and Kryp seemed more likely (than P1na I believe you mean) on D1 as a defense of yesterday's vote. Great! D1 is over though, I think. Can mod confirm that? Are we in D2 now? Yes? Ok. How do Krypsyn and/or Flub look now? Still scummy? Less scummy? For any particular reason(s)?

And ok, so you might not be ready to vote adalia. Fine, don't vote now. No problem - there's not even a deadline yet! But, you know, what do you think about him or any of the other 4 non-you/non-adalia people who have votes on them (yogs/wyrm/ix/dedo) that might move the conversation forward?

Ok, so maybe I just had too much sugar before logging in, but seriously...

And dammit, now I sound like yogs.

Ok, I have 3 people who imo have a sizable lead. You can perhaps guess since I haven't been overly secretive about it.

Any of them could be scum. Possibly none of them. We don't seem to have any add'l info to guide us. Of the three, one is active and at least trying to engage; one seems to be just trying to make no splash at all; and the last I'm at the point where I'm not even sure I trust any of his posts for basic accuracy, not even thinking about spin.

So I should vote 3, right? Tempted.

But as I noted above, I think adalia gives us the most value.

1) Hijack's "jailed/blocked/whatever" story actually holds more water for me (not to mention Hijack looks less like potential scum overall). So lynching adalia, if we're wrong and he flips town, more or less confirms 2 blocks in play. Maybe we confirm that independently D3 anyway, or in some fashion, but might not.
2) A few people have been pretty fervent with this wagon. E.g. HSL is one of the people that I haven't done much re-read of (and probably won't bother if adalia flips scum, tbh), but he seems to be pushing this one a bit uncharacteristically hard, despite his usual non-voting. TLDR, I think it's a wagon that has some analysis potential and it's just halfway now.

I don't think (my) choices 2 or 3 give us anything to work with tomorrow if we push to lynch and are wrong. But I digress - my take on things from adalia that don't add up:

0) not a reason but interesting fluff, but 3 of his posts in RVS were about his own scumminess (9,18,25). Perhaps meaningless, or a joke to amuse himself
1) Post 111, says: “I'm not imagining multiple scum teams (not yet)” which at the time seemed innocuous, but now that it's at least possibly in play raises the question of if he knew something or was at least teasing a theory to use later
2) A bit ironically, after the first votes on P1na, in 430 votes drealmer for suggesting SK even though he himself had floated the what seems the less common scenario of multiple scum teams.
2a) as an aside, I'm a bit curious why adalia doesn't conceive voting drealmer for talking about SK as a vote on "playstyle" - he gets excited and theorizes out loud. Why is that ultimately different than voting P1na for making a joke?
3) The hammer, which I won't get into again because it seems fairly dissected already, but feel free to ask me
4) The dawn D2 move on yogs. Which, if one assumes town-adalia, only made sense if he expected yogs to be scum, but on questioning it doesn't seem he really did. My paranoid theory was the same as yogs', so I'm a bit curious to see what alternative theory HSL has in mind.
5) The seemingly conflicting defense of his "coroner" theory in his own words:

A)"The wiki does indeed not outline it [instant knowledge] as a possibility, but my knowledge of the role comes mainly from flub's game and that obviously stuck as my interpretation of normal" (588)
B) "I had researched the Coroner role (there's not much to research) and as mentioned decided to claim that I needed to investigate (as it was more convenient for me to do so), while still thinking that was actually a variant of the role rather than it's usual working." (596)

So he researched the role, and at least the one source he cites describes the basic mechanism the way he presented it last game. And yet he's claiming his automatic assumption was that obviously (as HSL highligted the word) his take on the role hearkens back to an older game and that he thought the version noted in the wiki was just a variant.

Just like the wiki for Abraham Lincoln talks about his role as U.S. president, and hist assassination, but fails to mention his most important accomplishment: Illinois state backgammon champ, 1936. Which is truly how most of us think of him here in the states.

If he'd said he hadn't researched, I might actually buy that. But...I just can't make this leap he seems to be asking me to make.

Has he played good defense since then? Yes, quite. In fact, I'd started to forget why I'd had him scummiest after the initial flurry of the day til I went back through my notes and re-read those posts.

I will say that, similar to Leonard, he hasn't really added a lot of clarity to what he thinks town should be doing with today's vote other than going at yogs (Is that uncharitable? feel free to correct me), which at least from my perspective seems pretty unlikely to happen. Presumably even if you're right about yogs it wasn't a 2 person scum team and you could look at other players, right?

In 697 you mention "clearly more going on here than plain old mafia" - care to advance a specific theory? You already voted "End Prohibition" and agent told you to gtfo. So was lift's end of day post meaningful, or just setup for the final flavor post, much as yogs kept marching us through a dungeon to our doom, but the game was, at least in terms of mechanics, plain ol' mafia.

That, and your focus on the "playstyle" issue, seem like distractions, imo.

Vote adalia

Bler killed the thread. xD

@adalia – I didn’t follow this. How would this make yogs look bad? No one is going to complain if we get a flip. Yogs has not claimed Coroner. How would players know there is a Coroner? Or a need for one?

(emphasis added)
I agree with this. Drealmer feels like a politician with “Kill, adalia!” as his campaign slogan. I can’t really say if it is uncharacteristic of him or not.


I don’t see much in the Ixam and Bookyrm argument so far. Reminds me of yogs and flubb day one. Possibly scum in there or just friendly fire. Have not seen anything to lean strong on any of these one way of the other.

I’ve been having a hard time getting consistent connection with gog the past day (real life) or so…anyone else?

Sigh… did it again….gotta fix this one…sorry about the mix-up

@adalia – I didn’t follow this. How would this make yogs look bad? No one is going to complain if we get a flip. Yogs has not claimed Coroner. How would players know there is a Coroner? Or a need for one?

(emphasis added)
I agree with this. Drealmer feels like a politician with “Kill, adalia!” as his campaign slogan. I can’t really say if it is uncharacteristic of him or not.

Question for anyone - do you find drealmer's push for adalia's lynch noteworthy? I very casually observed the last game. From what I’ve observed, drealmer plays the game with that much gusto. Kind of like a pit bull that has clamped on and won’t let go. It pinged my scum-dar on first read.

I got distracted and actually forgot about a discussion I was having earlier.

Because they are votes just for the sake of making a statement. That late before deadline with a wagon rolling like the CSX8888 they had no real weight other than you showing you won't join p1na's and that you suspect more the one you're lynching. You could have voted anyone with a similar result, even refrained from voting whatsoever. Same result.

But, OK, you say it wasn't a meaningless vote. OK. As far as flub's concerned nothing happened last night. Why aren't you voting for him right now?



Maybe spiting HijacK as well was an added benefit given his fondness of hammering :) Anyway, as I said a few times the hasty hammer feels really weird to me as well. The D1 wasn't as bad as last game, nor as long. Unlike last game I'm pretty sure we had the lynch in the bag with a bunch of people ready to place the final vote. Waiting some more hours wouldn't have hurt. Maybe it was just that important for adalia to get the very last seat. Otherwise he would have been the one to answer the questions "Why weren't you on the wagon? Why didn't you hammer?"



You are reading way too much in flavor just to add weight to the other arguments. You don't need nor want that specific part, I believe.



Really? I actually see him in a very consistent light to what I've come to expect from him as opposed to how I felt about him last game (if you didn't follow then I pegged him just based on feelings about his posts and hard). He may have upped his game this time around and if that is the case - good for him. So far he looks like his usual self to me. Is that the only thing you would choose him for over the others (or anyone else at that matter)? To be honest I don't really like your list. Is HSL really looking worse than Leonard or maybe even Ix/Wyrm/trent? Even though HijacK has a beef with me I can't say he's in my top tier list and keep a straight face about it but if I try harder I can hear where you're coming from. But HSL? Am I missing that much already?



I would welcome the same from trent. He has exactly 2 posts that are worthy to be called game related on D2. I know he's pitbull locked on adalia but that doesn't mean any other discussion / observations have to be halted until whatever resolution that wagon gets.



Hey, cristigale is also here! And Leonard. How have you been doing, guys?

There are other possibilities as well.



Yes, I also find him a bit different but this only his second game here so there isn't established meta for this yet. Maybe he can accomplish the Dream and be different every game. But yes, it does call for at least some attention.

He does play the game with a lot of gusto. He was the same way last game with Vitek, he really believed Vitek to be scum and pushed and pushed and pushed for his lynch. Hard to say for sure since it's only drealmer's second game, but it seems consistent with his behavior so far.

So logically we couldn't have a one shot role blocker or HijacK couldn't be lying.

Why is multiple scum teams possible?? We had one death last night.

Possible but not Plausible.

Yes. You are.

Also: vote count:
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leonard 1: krypsyn
yogsloth 1: flubbucket
dedoporno 1: HijacK
adaliabooks 4: yogs, trent, drealmer, bler144
Bookwyrm 1: Ixamyakxim
Ixamyakxim 1: Bookwyrm

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch and adalia is half-way there at L-4
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