You conveniently forget that I made a comment after a number of soft claims were put on the table, and I think your insistence on the matter drew a lot more attention to it - I'm too lazy to go find the game, and our exchange. Don't recall who died in what order, I think trentonlf was the N1 target right after he had asked to be replaced - or was that in a different game?

Anyway, my point is that you seem a bit too eager to accept Bookwyrm627's play, while in that game, as town, you couldn't stress enough how bad and scummy I was acting. Which begs the obvious question...


I expect you to say the same thing, town or scum.



Did I say that you should have a grand plan? I'm not asking you to give us the answer to the best way ever to move the game along in D1, I'm simply trying to understand what you consider an acceptable way/topic to exit RVS.

Let me put it another way. Say when this game started, we had to be done with RVS after two days max, and the player required to get us out of it was you. How would you have gone about it?


But have made your peace with it? ;-P



No, but when your response to someone asking for clarification is "heh" (posts #91 and #93), or being even more vague or cryptic (posts #95, #103, #105 and #109), am I supposed to think that you're willing to?

As for leaving clues - would you say that in order to evaluate any reaction(s), the clues need to make some sense to others?


Not sure if serious with this.

Firstly, did you really expect people to read all this in your dollhouse comment, and then project it on bler144's posting?
And secondly, till your vote (post #28), bler144 had made all of four posts (#12, #21, #24 and #27) - which of these four posts (you speak of a single post) made you read all this stuff about fence-sitting and pretending to be productive? Going over the first 27 posts, I really don't see what you'd have expected him to post, or why "this struck you as one of those times".



Must have been all that frantic dancing.

Nope. Sometimes it is just useful to note that I have an objection or perception. If folks get it (and this does occur), it is a bonus, but, if not, although you imply otherwise, I do usually elaborate later on.

Meh.

No. I had no expectations, other than possibly being questioned over my vote.

It should be obvious, given the timing of my vote.

Feh.

Also: glass houses. (not a reference to the dollhouse)

Only thing there is to do on day 1, continue to talk with others and gauge reactions from either my posts or others. It's the same thing I always do. I know of no other way to go about day one. I play it more on feel on day 1 because there's no info to go on, if there's a better way to go about it I don't know what it is.

I didn't forget. What happened was people had mentioned things (I can't remember exactly what, I believe it may have had something to do with PM format or receiving extra PMs) which had nothing specifically to do with having a role, and you conveniently quoted all the posts of people mentioning whatever it was and asked if they were soft claiming.
My insistence on the matter was because it was something I hadn't noticed or picked up on, so thought it possible scum hadn't either and your drawing attention to it was a bad thing.

I really don't see that the two situations have much in common. Bookwyrm took information that we all had available to us and outlined the possible options, what you had done was drawing attention to something which everyone may not have noticed and which may have had a negative effect on town.

I find yog's play bad (not necessarily scummy, just anti town) because it gives scum information they didn't have (that fact he has a power role, and a possible list of which roles he could have), Bookwyrm didn't actually put any extra info out there so I don't have a problem with it.

*shrugs*
I don't know how I can put it any clearer than that...

Sure are a lot of facts out there.

I wrote this as I went, so some of the points are not news anymore but there is no reason not to share my 2 cents.


That's what I don't really like about flub's reaction yet I'm not sure it's not expected. That has been happening in previous games (more often than not towards yog, too) but it does seem a bit overstated. Still not sure what I want to think and do about it, but it's definitely something to observe.


You have played in enough games with me and adalia to know that don't appreciate lynching whomever just because. Yes, I may end up joining a wagon that I'm not entirely convinced of to secure the lynch, but I will most likely boycott (and most certainly try to derail) another one that I'm sure enough is going to hit a townie.

As for your role analysis I admire the amount of effort you put into it, great job, but I must say I don't like the fact that you did the digging for the scum (this statement works just the same regardless of your alignment).

There is a hint or role-fishing here that I find displeasing.


How can you be so sure scum will do it, though? In my experience scum are more likely to not pay that much attention than to dig deep. I guess it is possible there are some that will put more effort into it but I can't force myself to see it as an absolute.


Huh.


For what?


So role fishing is OK just every now and then, right? Seems legit.

So, just go for the least harm townie to get things going? Did you by any chance attend adalia's classes on "D1 lynching 101"? I can't say I like your vision of going through D1.


Maybe you can say it a couple more times just to make sure everyone got it :P


Aaaaand there we go.........


Now that sounds a bit like words twisting. Although I have to say I liked his reaction less than your initial move putting words in other people's mouths is not something I find too pro-town.

Kudos on the freestyle, though.


This is one of the very few I actually got :D



Damn, that was a whole f*cking lot to read. Not being able to follow in real time can be so overwhelming later on :/

*Shrug* Should I have just ignored it?

Really? That's not how you read it? He's voting for me because of the play that I made. But the play that I made is what I do every time - making a play to get out of RVS and use myself as bait and throw it out there. Making that kind of play is my style. So that's what he's voting to eliminate. Yes, I'm becoming aware I need to think of some different shit to do.

But guess what? I don't even know if flub is Scum trying to railroad me the way I did it to Bookwyrm or if he's just a [misguided onanist]. After all, as has been pointed out by multiple people already, he was spectacularly, horribly, utterly wrong about absolutely everything in #30 in nearly the very same fashion, right?

I am impressed.

You could have gotten into less details maybe?


To me it seemed more like "things like this shouldn't go unquestioned just because that player tends to do that". Not go ahead and lynch you right then and there. It's somewhat similar towards your stance regarding lurkers. Just like how you aren't fond of them getting free pass for lurking just because some of them do it all the time, flub doesn't seem to like how people are comfortable with you doing what you usually do just because you usually do it regardless of it being potentially more helpful or harmful. I may be reading it wrong, but that's the feeling I got. But again, his reaction was more aggressive than needed, indeed.

Question (I actually asked this before but I guess it didn't look too serious and you ignored it, then someone else asked but I don't recall seeing an answer) - why did you unvote flub when you did?

No grand strategy to it. More of a "F this, you guys do it then" moment. Wish I could tell you I saw something or knew something, but... yeah pretty much just being juvenile.

Follow up question - did you re-vote just because or did you see something that rekindled the spark?

Uh, for serious? Go back and re-read the post where I re-voted him. It's quite meaty.

@Everyone voting for yogsloth.
If yogsloth is scum, what is his agenda?

Ok, I can't be 100% certain scum would do it, but the potential is there that they could. If they were bothered they could work it out.
To be honest, I find Bookwyrm may have wasted his efforts entirely as by the nature of his claim and how he claimed I'm almost certain yogs is either Coroner or PGO. Because anything else (bar Bulletproof Berserker) wouldn't be humorous.
Would it be funny if yogs got Jailer or JOAT? Not really, town gets such roles all the time.
But yogs frequently gives me shit for my false claims, and by specifically mentioning he is not CPR Doctor it makes me think it's definitely one of mine, which only leaves PGO or Coroner and either is entirely possible.
I could be entirely wrong, but I think not.

He totally did. Front row taking notes every time. You should all at least read the leaflet I made...