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HijacK: Your assumptions don't justify the security with which you asked that question.
Have you studied math? Do you know what theorem is? If yes, the approach here is similar. In order to work on some problem and eventually prove it one has to assume one or more statements and build on them.

I can't look and contemplate about a scenario without assuming it so I don't really get the point you are trying to make here.
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Bookwyrm627: Will you explain this?
Don't rush me.
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dedoporno: Have you studied math? Do you know what theorem is? If yes, the approach here is similar. In order to work on some problem and eventually prove it one has to assume one or more statements and build on them.
I don't see any numbers. Do you? Your comparison is charming, albeit wrong. You asked a question. You did not pose a theorem.

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dedoporno: I can't look and contemplate about a scenario without assuming it so I don't really get the point you are trying to make here.
I'm trying to say that you asked a question with utmost security when if you were town you wouldn't have known better. Here are alternative questions way better than what you asked: Why would you be blocked and not NK'd? Why wouldn't you be targeted? Would you be a likely jail target?

Alas, I have the answers to none. But at least these questions don't presuppose you know something about people's alignments, something that I don't.
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HijacK: "HijacK is defensive of practicaly every point I raised about him*
The points I bring up are terrible? Howso? They seem reasonable enough to me. Just because you have convenient defenses/excuses for it all you think my points should be readily dismissed? Seems more like you are desperate to have them dismissed rather than give any sort of acknowledgement that they're good points to keep in mind as the game goes on.

"I got locked into my room with some fancy lock that took me the whole night to pick. "

How the hell does someone put a lock on your door that you are able to pick from the inside without locking themselves on the inside? Seems like a poorly created lie, or poorly written block-flavor by the mod.

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drealmer7: ~ non rhymed content ~
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dedoporno: Not trying to be a dick about it but weren't you supposed to rhyme your stuff until the end of D2 or did I misread that? :P
Our Mod be merciful! The original punishment was to be "for the rest of the day" (D1), but the day was almost over, so it was extended to D2, and then D1 went on a bit and my rhymes were torturing everyone, me included, so, yeah, that was definitely enough punishment, for us all.

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drealmer7: Vote Adaliabooks

ok, now back to reading...oh wait, I just had the thought that that might be a bad idea, to vote without knowing the vote count (accidental hammer or whatever) but ummm, nope, that's okay for me with that vote if that is what happens.
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adaliabooks: And whatever happened to 'Oh know, we can't possibly kill anyone! The humanity, the humanity!" drealmer?

You seem veeeerrry desperate to see me dead. Uncharacteristically so.
Please quote what you're referring to so I can respond appropriately. I don't ever recall saying "Oh know, we can't possibly kill anyone! The humanity, the humanity!"

I do recall being hesistant to vote you last game at the start of D2 because of my obsession with Vitek even though I was quite sure you were scum too. I recall thinking HSL-turned-you seemed scummy to me most of the game, but I let doubts get a hold of me in more than one way because of my newness. I've learned to not let my newness make me hesitate to contribute as strongly as I think is deemed appropriate. That's why I was weak and went along with the Ix lynch, why I didn't press my real theories more, and why I'm playing differently this game.

You are absolutely reading scum to me AGAIN in almost the exact same ways as last game, and even doing a worse job at covering it up this time. I'm not "desperate to see you dead," I'm simply more confident about you than anyone else, I've looked back at D1, I've re-evaluated my positions, and yeah, you seem pretty solid to me and I don't see anything else coming to light that will make me more solid on some one else or less solid on you.
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HijacK: And you mentioned that you didn't really care whether P1na was town or scum when you voted for him yesterday, again not at all like you're previous stance of 'don't kill any townies'

I wonder why that could possibly be?
Really? You wonder? Even though I've beaten it to death? because the playstyle they were using was ANTI-TOWN. As policy, something that strongly ANTI-TOWN is going to get my vote. It's pretty simple and straightforward, I think, but how scummy of you to try and make my reasons seem unreasonable. Even ballsy of you considering P1na turned out scum. But I suppose you've got no way to play it now except ballsy.
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HijacK: More pushing for my lynch from drealmer
I am strong in my opinion. I'm pushing for information from others as to why they don't think you are as scummy as I do or why what I'm seeing in you is wrong. You also seem to be acting like a squirming scum rather than an innocent town, to me.

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bler144: Can't recall if town speed-lynched anyone last game. Definitely not D1, at least.
Haha! Is that sarcasm? D2 was kind of a speed-lynch (especially with my hammering, UGH) but not really because it was the left-over lynch from that looonnnnnng D1, kind of. D3 lynch was book and it went FAST, so fast I didn't get to object. This game is a much different pace than that game.
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bler144: The unknown fruits that look most tempting sometimes are the ones we at least have to at least try to look at from a different angle before shoving them in our mouths in haste.
We're all unknown fruits, some seem more unknown than others to me, adalia is the one I have the least doubt about their taste being scummy. I've looked at it from the other angles. To me none of them look right except the one that he is scum.

I suppose it might look like a hasty vote, but, adalia pinged my scumdar early in D1 and did it several times almost exactly the same way he did in the last game. Then there was the P1na stuff on top of it all. I had had the thoughts before the final vote was cast on P1na that if P1na flipped scum, adalia was likely scum as well. He did and I do.

more thoughts/responses to come when I have the time.
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HijacK: I don't see any numbers. Do you? Your comparison is charming, albeit wrong. You asked a question. You did not pose a theorem.
Theorem defition. Surprisingly it's not limited to numbers alone. It's a based on logic and deduction in it's core.

All my questions regarding this were based on assumptions in the context of different scenarios.
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HijacK: "HijacK is defensive of practicaly every point I raised about him*
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drealmer7:
Someone brings up terrible ass points to paint me scummy and you don't expect me to defend myself? What have you been smoking?

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drealmer7: The points I bring up are terrible? Howso? They seem reasonable enough to me. Just because you have convenient defenses/excuses for it all you think my points should be readily dismissed?
I think they are beyond terrible actually. I've seen assumptions. Yours always go in funny places. No different.

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drealmer7: Seems more like you are desperate to have them dismissed rather than give any sort of acknowledgement that they're good points to keep in mind as the game goes on.
I believe I am not the only one that called your points out for being weak. You might want to check the posts from bler and Booky wap.

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drealmer7: How the hell does someone put a lock on your door that you are able to pick from the inside without locking themselves on the inside? Seems like a poorly created lie, or poorly written block-flavor by the mod.
Ah, there it was! I was wondering when you'll go into funny places again. Alas, that's a paraphrase of the flavor given to me by Lift. You don't believe it? I can see that. You're not one to see the forest as you miss it for the trees.

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HijacK: And you mentioned that you didn't really care whether P1na was town or scum when you voted for him yesterday, again not at all like you're previous stance of 'don't kill any townies'

I wonder why that could possibly be?
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drealmer7: Really? You wonder? Even though I've beaten it to death? because the playstyle they were using was ANTI-TOWN. As policy, something that strongly ANTI-TOWN is going to get my vote. It's pretty simple and straightforward, I think, but how scummy of you to try and make my reasons seem unreasonable. Even ballsy of you considering P1na turned out scum. But I suppose you've got no way to play it now except ballsy.
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HijacK: More pushing for my lynch from drealmer
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drealmer7: I am strong in my opinion. I'm pushing for information from others as to why they don't think you are as scummy as I do or why what I'm seeing in you is wrong. You also seem to be acting like a squirming scum rather than an innocent town, to me.
Wrong quotes, hotshot.
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drealmer7: Please quote what you're referring to so I can respond appropriately. I don't ever recall saying "Oh know, we can't possibly kill anyone! The humanity, the humanity!"
I don't have any particular quotes but you spent most of last game saying how you didn't want to mislynch townies and how you hated lynching people. You mentioned in a post in this game how you felt that considering the setting of course we couldn't possibly kill anyone and surely the lynch meant people were taken away to be investigated (I know that was more flavour related, but still very much on the same lines)

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drealmer7: Really? You wonder? Even though I've beaten it to death? because the playstyle they were using was ANTI-TOWN. As policy, something that strongly ANTI-TOWN is going to get my vote. It's pretty simple and straightforward, I think, but how scummy of you to try and make my reasons seem unreasonable. Even ballsy of you considering P1na turned out scum. But I suppose you've got no way to play it now except ballsy.
So you didn't find Ix's play last game to be sufficiently anti town to lynch him for it? Despite everyone else thinking so?
Yet now you're fine with policy lynching town.
I'm sorry, I just realized we are talking about different things.

I thought you question was in the context of the discussion Wyrm and I had about multiple teams. You are actually referring to my first post (technically second) for the Day. At the time I was still looking at blocks as scum works. Later pondering on the matter make me rethink that it's doubtful both are of scum origins and so on. So, yes, you are correct the original question was asked under the assumption it's a scum block.
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dedoporno: Theorem defition. Surprisingly it's not limited to numbers alone. It's a based on logic and deduction in it's core.
Thank you, but I already knew it. You pointing it out only worsens your case. Especially since you're playing dumb and not realizing the core concept of what I was trying to point out.

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dedoporno: All my questions regarding this were based on assumptions in the context of different scenarios.
Your questions were asked at a point where you did not establish such theorem. Theorem that you yet have to actually establish. Theorem that you hug just because I think you slipped.

Vote dedoporno
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adaliabooks: You mentioned in a post in this game how you felt that considering the setting of course we couldn't possibly kill anyone and surely the lynch meant people were taken away to be investigated (I know that was more flavour related, but still very much on the same lines)
I've got the quote on that one! I wanted to make a reply, but since I'd be crossing the Night 1 gap, I just set it aside in case it ever came up again.

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drealmer7: We, as a civil group of citizens and law-makers trying to pass a vote as a committee, shouldn't be resorting to murderings of suspected mafia members once we reach a majority vote, you know? We must give them to the proper authorities to be investigated and bring them to justice accordingly. I trust lfithrasil to not be a corrupt authority and to treat our vote selections justly and give us a fair result once they are "selected" via majority vote (errr "they", heh, or me, of course!)
Aww, how cute. You think the justice system hasn't already been corrupted.

I'm more in line with what Lift already demonstrated: we need to enact some mob justice before receiving some Mob justice.
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HijacK: Ah, there it was! I was wondering when you'll go into funny places again. Alas, that's a paraphrase of the flavor given to me by Lift. You don't believe it? I can see that. You're not one to see the forest as you miss it for the trees.
I'd just like to point out that the flavour I received from lift is almost identical (bar the obvious paraphrasing), hence why I believe HijacK was at least blocked, whatever that says about his alignment.
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bler144: I don't think what he's saying at all means what you suggest he's saying.

A coroner doesn't "resurrect" anybody, any more than they would IRL. They get info about a dead person, but that person stays dead.
I'm sorry if that was unclear. My point was he offers another reason why there could be no flips and a coroner, but he does it in a way that doesn't imply he knows in advance about the no flips (which I think he did).

If there's a resurrection mechanic, it "makes sense" that there wouldn't be a flip - because that person could come back later after they died. And if there are no flips, it makes sense there could be a coroner.

I think bringing up something as silly as a resurrection mechanic was just another way for him to justify his search for a coroner on Day 1, before anyone knew there would be no flips.
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Ixamyakxim: I'm sorry if that was unclear. My point was he offers another reason why there could be no flips and a coroner, but he does it in a way that doesn't imply he knows in advance about the no flips (which I think he did).

If there's a resurrection mechanic, it "makes sense" that there wouldn't be a flip - because that person could come back later after they died. And if there are no flips, it makes sense there could be a coroner.

I think bringing up something as silly as a resurrection mechanic was just another way for him to justify his search for a coroner on Day 1, before anyone knew there would be no flips.
Aaaand right back to Vitek's game. Krypsyn flipped as town after being killed N1, then he was resurrected by Sage for the length Day 2, still as town. He auto-expired at dusk of Day 2.
This is slipping away due to analysis paralysis and coordinated distraction. Good job, Scum.
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HijacK: Thank you, but I already knew it. You pointing it out only worsens your case. Especially since you're playing dumb and not realizing the core concept of what I was trying to point out. ]
You directed the discussion towards the absence of number invalidating what I was talking about, so pointing this out is only natural.

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HijacK: Your questions were asked at a point where you did not establish such theorem. Theorem that you yet have to actually establish. Theorem that you hug just because I think you slipped.
As I just wrote, I thought you meant another set of questions and already explained my original standing. It's your choice whether you believe it or now.