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fishbaits: Unfortunately, once the Ryzen drivers are released, anything gained from them will be windoze10 only :(
Unless someone manages to shift them over from win10/Linux to win7.
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Phc7006: Linux might be the way to go after all. And that's true irrespective of one going the intel/Kabby Lake route or the AMD/Ryzen route since MS$ will ensure Windows 7 is not updated to care for any new CPU.

What is also true is that AMD coming back with some competent CPUs, coupled to DDR4 support is good for both the AMD fans or for Intel customers. Market dominance encouraged Intel to complacency.

Obviously, Ryzen needs some time ( possibly next Bios generation / driver update ) before we see what it's actually worth. Phoronix's reviews are promising, to be seen how things further evolve with the next Linux kernels.
I already planned in my next pc build to go Linux/win7, so this Ryzen thing has definitely made up my mind for that hehe.
With how amazing Vulkan is too, could be onto a winner :)
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russellskanne: wow, what a letdown gaming-wise...
It doubled the gaming performance of CPU compared to bulldozer...!
Update on Ryzen ECC support!

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Looks like ASUS simply cut the support for top motherboards from settings.
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russellskanne: wow, what a letdown gaming-wise...
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Lin545: It doubled the gaming performance of CPU compared to bulldozer...!
Taking into account that it's being compared to a CPU-family that is six-ish years old and was even considered subpar back then, that's not what I would call a real feat to pull off.

That said, these new chips look like pretty decent processors.
Post edited March 04, 2017 by mistermumbles
DAYUM!! Someone's been busy!

AMD K17 @ 5802.93 MHz.
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Lin545: It doubled the gaming performance of CPU compared to bulldozer...!
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mistermumbles: Taking into account that it's being compared to a CPU-family that is six-ish years old and was even considered subpar back then, that's not what I would call a real feat to pull off.

That said, these new chips look like pretty decent processors.
Sandy Bridge is still a great chip.
Don't look at year of production when you talk about Intel. Every new generation (1-1.5 years release cycle) of theirs CPUs bring around 3 to 5% performance increase. Without performance competition from AMD, things went just like that.
A lot of people using SB still see no reason do upgrade to recent Kaby Lake of Intel (25% increase in single threaded performance in CB11.5 [see pictures from my previous post] when comparing i7-2700K-to-i7-7700K after almost 6 years -- Meh!).

Also, Sandy Bridge was the last CPU in mainstream platform (LGA115X), where heat-spreader was soldered to chip. If you want Intel platform with soldered CPU, you have to opt LGA2011 platform, which is way more expensive.
Soldered CPUs will not have problems in future with overheating. Solder doesn't degrade with time, unlike thermal paste, which is used in LGA115X CPUs from Intel.

AMD Ryzen CPUs have soldered heat-spreaders.
AMD FX are soldered too.
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vsr: Sandy Bridge is still a great chip.
You may have misread my reply. I was commenting on his Bulldozer vs Ryzen statement.
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vsr: Sandy Bridge is still a great chip.
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mistermumbles: You may have misread my reply. I was commenting on his Bulldozer vs Ryzen statement.
Sandy Bridge and Bulldozer were released around the same time (~2011).
When will mainstream or budget cpus from this line be made available?
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Spectre: When will mainstream or budget cpus from this line be made available?
Q2 2017.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(microarchitecture]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(microarchitecture[/url])
A fairly level headed talk about the 1700 & some intel equivalants & mobos.

More charts.
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-overclocking-best-ryzen-processor_192191/4
Jayztwocents Ryzen build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4sxXva9Eg


It's been shown that something in win10 is hampering Ryzen processors, so guess folk'll still have to wait a few weeks to see if micro$oft release the drivers.

Win7 on the other hand, isn't hampered.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-8#post-38775732

I did some 3D testing and eventhou there is not nearly enough data to confirm it, I'd say the SMT regression is infact a Windows 10 related issue.
In 3D testing I did recently on Windows 10, the title which illustrated the biggest SMT regression was Total War: Warhammer.

All of these were recorded at 3.5GHz, 2133MHz MEMCLK with R9 Nano:

Windows 10 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 49.39fps (Min), 72.36fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 57.16fps (Min), 72.46fps (Avg)

Windows 7 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 62.33fps (Min), 78.18fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 62.00fps (Min), 73.22fps (Avg)

At the moment this is just pure speculation as there were variables, which could not be isolated.
Windows 10 figures were recorded using PresentMon (OCAT), however with Windows 7 it was necessary to use Fraps.

No idea how PresentMon hits processors, but I know Fraps does tend to hit them hard.
Post edited March 05, 2017 by fishbaits
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fishbaits: Jayztwocents Ryzen build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4sxXva9Eg

It's been shown that something in win10 is hampering Ryzen processors, so guess folk'll still have to wait a few weeks to see if micro$oft release the drivers.

Win7 on the other hand, isn't hampered.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-8#post-38775732

I did some 3D testing and eventhou there is not nearly enough data to confirm it, I'd say the SMT regression is infact a Windows 10 related issue.
In 3D testing I did recently on Windows 10, the title which illustrated the biggest SMT regression was Total War: Warhammer.

All of these were recorded at 3.5GHz, 2133MHz MEMCLK with R9 Nano:

Windows 10 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 49.39fps (Min), 72.36fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 57.16fps (Min), 72.46fps (Avg)

Windows 7 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 62.33fps (Min), 78.18fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 62.00fps (Min), 73.22fps (Avg)

At the moment this is just pure speculation as there were variables, which could not be isolated.
Windows 10 figures were recorded using PresentMon (OCAT), however with Windows 7 it was necessary to use Fraps.

No idea how PresentMon hits processors, but I know Fraps does tend to hit them hard.
Wow, interesting. This combined with the BIOS version problems of AM4 boards sent out to reviewers really seems to have put performance into a state of doubt. I also recall AMD recommending using GPU / CPU (not sure which) bottleneck during testing to reviewers.

Did you do all four benchmarks with SMT on? Also, what is 8/16T/C? Total War is also a gem in the fact that something is always wrong with it, especially the ones in the Empire TW engine. I recall getting strange framerate issues in Rome 2 because of a camera minimod in my Shogun 2 mod folder.
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Shadowstalker16: Did you do all four benchmarks with SMT on? Also, what is 8/16T/C?
8C/16T means 8 cores with 16 threads, i.e. SMT enabled. 8C/8T is 8 cores = 8 threads, which is what you get with SMT disabled.
Post edited March 06, 2017 by clarry
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Shadowstalker16: Did you do all four benchmarks with SMT on? Also, what is 8/16T/C?
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clarry: 8C/16T means 8 cores with 16 threads, i.e. SMT enabled. 8C/8T is 8 cores = 8 threads, which is what you get with SMT disabled.
Ah thanks for the........CLARIFICATION! Yeah yeah I'm leaving.