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Posted June 04, 2009
That soon, great! though the RC will function until march next year or so, it'll be nice to get a decent system that won't timebomb on me (no I don't consider XP decent any more, and though Vista's nice, 7's better so far).
Posted June 04, 2009
I've been using the RC for a long time now. It's been great, very fast (faster than Vista, which honestly isn't nearly as bad as the Anti-Microsoft crowd make it out to be) and has a decent memory footprint (which Vista fails at - regardless of Superfetch - that's for those who will try to correct me). It's been solid, although there have been slight annoyances here and there in the UI that get on my nerves occasionally. Like why in the name of fuck did they remove the Libraries from the Start Menu??? One of the most useful features of Win 7 and they make it more annoying to access... seriously, someone needs a beating over that. But for the most part it's an improvement, an incremental improvement to be sure, but an improvement nevertheless.
I'm not sure of the reports of *HUGE* problems that people are having with the RC, I've not heard of these *HUGE* problems. I mean I've seen the usual slew of issues on the technet forums about Win 7, but a large number of those were Beta 2 issues.
You know, it's really funny how time colours our impressions. In a weird twist of fate I found some forum thread arguing about how XP was so successful and Vista was a monumental flop and I saw this quoted in a post. I hope it gives some perspective on the 'flop' that is Vista or back then, XP:

Oct 11, 2002: Windows XP Slow To Take Hold.
On the first anniversary of Windows XP's release, Microsoft (NSDQ:MSFT) has little to celebrate.
Less than 10 percent of Microsoft's installed base has upgraded to Windows XP since its release last October. That matches a 2001 Gartner prediction that nearly 75 percent of all corporate PCs would still be running Windows 95, 98 or NT Workstation by the end of 2002.
The adoption rate for the installed base of 250 million Windows users is "pretty small," said Rogers Weed, vice president of Windows client product management at Microsoft. "We're trying to kick-start some momentum."
One solution provider said Windows XP hasn't had any impact on his sales over the past year. "I've not had a single client that wanted to upgrade from any previous version to XP, especially from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. There's just so little difference," said Jeffrey Sherman, president of Warever Computing, a Los Angeles-based solution provider specializing in networks.

It just sounds all too familiar....
Post edited June 04, 2009 by TapeWorm
Posted June 04, 2009
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TapeWorm: I've been using the RC for a long time now. It's been great, very fast (faster than Vista, which honestly isn't nearly as bad as the Anti-Microsoft crowd make it out to be) and has a decent memory footprint (which Vista fails at - regardless of Superfetch - that's for those who will try to correct me). It's been solid, although there have been slight annoyances here and there in the UI that get on my nerves occasionally. Like why in the name of fuck did they remove the Libraries from the Start Menu??? One of the most useful features of Win 7 and they make it more annoying to access... seriously, someone needs a beating over that. But for the most part it's an improvement, an incremental improvement to be sure, but an improvement nevertheless.

Add them back, maybe?
Right-click the start button, click the "Customize..." button, then chose what you want to see in the menu... I may be less panicked over such changes than most, since I almost without thinking always change things to my liking when I reinstall or upgrade (and then don't remember if I've changed something or whether it always was that way).
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TapeWorm: I'm not sure of the reports of *HUGE* problems that people are having with the RC, I've not heard of these *HUGE* problems. I mean I've seen the usual slew of issues on the technet forums about Win 7, but a large number of those were Beta 2 issues.
You know, it's really funny how time colours our impressions. In a weird twist of fate I found some forum thread arguing about how XP was so successful and Vista was a monumental flop and I saw this quoted in a post. I hope it gives some perspective on the 'flop' that is Vista or back then, XP:

Oct 11, 2002: Windows XP Slow To Take Hold.
On the first anniversary of Windows XP's release, Microsoft (NSDQ:MSFT) has little to celebrate.
Less than 10 percent of Microsoft's installed base has upgraded to Windows XP since its release last October. That matches a 2001 Gartner prediction that nearly 75 percent of all corporate PCs would still be running Windows 95, 98 or NT Workstation by the end of 2002.
The adoption rate for the installed base of 250 million Windows users is "pretty small," said Rogers Weed, vice president of Windows client product management at Microsoft. "We're trying to kick-start some momentum."
One solution provider said Windows XP hasn't had any impact on his sales over the past year. "I've not had a single client that wanted to upgrade from any previous version to XP, especially from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. There's just so little difference," said Jeffrey Sherman, president of Warever Computing, a Los Angeles-based solution provider specializing in networks.

It just sounds all too familiar....
Yeah, except back then people weren't upgrading because there was too little change, now there's too much and they want the new system to be like the old (er... "now" being Vista, as many still hasn't upgraded to that one even as the next version is on the doorstep)... but isn't that like it always is? People will always find a reason to complain.
EDIT: The quotin' is broken.
Post edited June 04, 2009 by Miaghstir
Posted June 04, 2009
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TapeWorm: I've been using the RC for a long time now. It's been great, very fast (faster than Vista, which honestly isn't nearly as bad as the Anti-Microsoft crowd make it out to be) and has a decent memory footprint (which Vista fails at - regardless of Superfetch - that's for those who will try to correct me). It's been solid, although there have been slight annoyances here and there in the UI that get on my nerves occasionally. Like why in the name of fuck did they remove the Libraries from the Start Menu??? One of the most useful features of Win 7 and they make it more annoying to access... seriously, someone needs a beating over that. But for the most part it's an improvement, an incremental improvement to be sure, but an improvement nevertheless.
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Miaghstir: Add them back, maybe?
Right-click the start button, click the "Customize..." button, then chose what you want to see in the menu... I may be less panicked over such changes than most, since I almost without thinking always change things to my liking when I reinstall or upgrade (and then don't remember if I've changed something or whether it always was that way).
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TapeWorm: I'm not sure of the reports of *HUGE* problems that people are having with the RC, I've not heard of these *HUGE* problems. I mean I've seen the usual slew of issues on the technet forums about Win 7, but a large number of those were Beta 2 issues.
You know, it's really funny how time colours our impressions. In a weird twist of fate I found some forum thread arguing about how XP was so successful and Vista was a monumental flop and I saw this quoted in a post. I hope it gives some perspective on the 'flop' that is Vista or back then, XP:

Oct 11, 2002: Windows XP Slow To Take Hold.
On the first anniversary of Windows XP's release, Microsoft (NSDQ:MSFT) has little to celebrate.
Less than 10 percent of Microsoft's installed base has upgraded to Windows XP since its release last October. That matches a 2001 Gartner prediction that nearly 75 percent of all corporate PCs would still be running Windows 95, 98 or NT Workstation by the end of 2002.
The adoption rate for the installed base of 250 million Windows users is "pretty small," said Rogers Weed, vice president of Windows client product management at Microsoft. "We're trying to kick-start some momentum."
One solution provider said Windows XP hasn't had any impact on his sales over the past year. "I've not had a single client that wanted to upgrade from any previous version to XP, especially from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. There's just so little difference," said Jeffrey Sherman, president of Warever Computing, a Los Angeles-based solution provider specializing in networks.

It just sounds all too familiar....
Yeah, except back then people weren't upgrading because there was too little change, now there's too much and they want the new system to be like the old (er... "now" being Vista, as many still hasn't upgraded to that one even as the next version is on the doorstep)... but isn't that like it always is? People will always find a reason to complain.
EDIT: The quotin' is broken.

Sweet lord, your post is now in smaller font!
GOG, are you sure your CSS monkeys are OK?
Posted June 04, 2009
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michaelleung: Sweet lord, your post is now in smaller font!
GOG, are you sure your CSS monkeys are OK?

Yeah, I tried to sidestep the bug of my first piece of text appearing with the quote-line by introducing another bug (added another end-quote tag, and thereby made the font smaller, made the last part appear quoted instead, and on top of that also made my first text appear without the quote-line in your reply)... funbugs!
Posted June 04, 2009
Don't see much of a reason to upgrade the OS on my current machine as long as it's capable of running the programs I want to use. Still, it's nice to see that Windows 7 is looking to be a fairly decent OS, and I'll probably upgrade in 1 or 2 years when it's time to scrap my current computer and build a new one.
Posted June 05, 2009
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TapeWorm: I've been using the RC for a long time now. It's been great, very fast (faster than Vista, which honestly isn't nearly as bad as the Anti-Microsoft crowd make it out to be) and has a decent memory footprint (which Vista fails at - regardless of Superfetch - that's for those who will try to correct me). It's been solid, although there have been slight annoyances here and there in the UI that get on my nerves occasionally. Like why in the name of fuck did they remove the Libraries from the Start Menu??? One of the most useful features of Win 7 and they make it more annoying to access... seriously, someone needs a beating over that. But for the most part it's an improvement, an incremental improvement to be sure, but an improvement nevertheless.
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Miaghstir: Add them back, maybe?
Right-click the start button, click the "Customize..." button, then chose what you want to see in the menu... I may be less panicked over such changes than most, since I almost without thinking always change things to my liking when I reinstall or upgrade (and then don't remember if I've changed something or whether it always was that way).

Yeah, I'm not exactly new to using windows. The libraries option isn't there anymore, else I wouldn't have complained about it (and yes, I put in a complaint to the devs).
Yeah, the quote system is royally fucked.
Posted June 05, 2009
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TapeWorm: I'm not sure of the reports of *HUGE* problems that people are having with the RC, I've not heard of these *HUGE* problems. I mean I've seen the usual slew of issues on the technet forums about Win 7, but a large number of those were Beta 2 issues.

I wasn't saying "huge problems", but huge amount of them. On Microsoft forums people report all sort of issues, from BSODs to UI; RC seems to be a step back, since it broke stuff that used to work on betas.
Of course you'll never know if it's ok or not until you've tried it on your machine (I haven't, yet), but at the moment I don't see a reason to upgrade from Vista (granted, it has some problems, but the biggest of them seems to be its name)
Posted June 05, 2009
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chautemoc: Well...I don't have the problem with XP using the same driver sets, hardware, and software. :P
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Arkose: Drivers for Vista and newer are not the same as those for XP. While they are the same versions and mostly have the same features, the underlying implementation is completely different because of the overhauled driver architecture introduced in Vista (for all its faults, real or imagined, this was one of the things Vista got right). It is up to the hardware manufacturers to make proper use of the new driver model, and so it is possible for design flaws or incompatibilities to occur in the driver for one architecture but not the other; buggy, incomplete drivers were one of the issues that plagued Vista's launch (those same driver versions had few problems XP).
Additionally, not all Vista drivers are properly compatible with 7; few manufacturers have released official drivers for 7, and even then they may be in a semi-beta state because they do not yet have the final (RTM) version to work with.

No, I know...I figured it was due to the new drivers/architecture and stuff -- only thing that made sense.
I had sound + video drivers for 7 though..and CPU drivers for Vista I think, I can't remember. Default ones still left me with same problems anyway.
Anyhow, I'm just glad to be back on a stable OS -- nothing drives me more mad than not being able to play my games properly. :)
Posted June 05, 2009
Arkose:
Awesome posts, thanks for the Windows 7 review. ;)
Posted June 05, 2009
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Miaghstir: Add them back, maybe?
Right-click the start button, click the "Customize..." button, then chose what you want to see in the menu... I may be less panicked over such changes than most, since I almost without thinking always change things to my liking when I reinstall or upgrade (and then don't remember if I've changed something or whether it always was that way).
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TapeWorm: Yeah, I'm not exactly new to using windows. The libraries option isn't there anymore, else I wouldn't have complained about it (and yes, I put in a complaint to the devs).
Yeah, the quote system is royally fucked.

The libraries are "documents", pictures", "movies", "music"... one for each library (I'm pretty sure about that, cannot check at the moment as I'm at work using Vista, not at home with 7), and I do believe your user folder has each of those libraries in it (I'm not as sure of that as of the previous choice though) as well as everything else.
Posted June 05, 2009
I found a couple articles that indicate that compatibility mode returns for Windows 7 with additional options for Windows XP, one for each service pack. Any comments on how well the XP compatibility mode (not the virtual machine) works?
Posted June 05, 2009
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TapeWorm: Yeah, I'm not exactly new to using windows. The libraries option isn't there anymore, else I wouldn't have complained about it (and yes, I put in a complaint to the devs).
Yeah, the quote system is royally fucked.
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Miaghstir: The libraries are "documents", pictures", "movies", "music"... one for each library (I'm pretty sure about that, cannot check at the moment as I'm at work using Vista, not at home with 7), and I do believe your user folder has each of those libraries in it (I'm not as sure of that as of the previous choice though) as well as everything else.

Those are pre-defined libraries yes, however any custom libraries (e.g. my code) are inaccessible. In the pre-RC beta there was a libraries item that was on the start menu and it would expand to show all available libraries, it's since been removed. Sure, it's a small thing, but a small thing I found incredibly useful.
Posted June 05, 2009
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Miaghstir: The libraries are "documents", pictures", "movies", "music"... one for each library (I'm pretty sure about that, cannot check at the moment as I'm at work using Vista, not at home with 7), and I do believe your user folder has each of those libraries in it (I'm not as sure of that as of the previous choice though) as well as everything else.
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TapeWorm: Those are pre-defined libraries yes, however any custom libraries (e.g. my code) are inaccessible. In the pre-RC beta there was a libraries item that was on the start menu and it would expand to show all available libraries, it's since been removed. Sure, it's a small thing, but a small thing I found incredibly useful.

Ah, then I understand, and even agree with you. I hadn't even realised custom libraries were available, thanks for the info.
Posted June 05, 2009
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TapeWorm: Those are pre-defined libraries yes, however any custom libraries (e.g. my code) are inaccessible. In the pre-RC beta there was a libraries item that was on the start menu and it would expand to show all available libraries, it's since been removed. Sure, it's a small thing, but a small thing I found incredibly useful.
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Miaghstir: Ah, then I understand, and even agree with you. I hadn't even realised custom libraries were available, thanks for the info.

Oh no problem. I should have been more clear on what I meant by "Libraries", I keep forgetting the Docs/Images/Videos are in there by default.
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