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You could get this version if the other games interest you.
Otherwise, I don't care. If it becomes extremely expensive then download your self a copy, especially if you buy it over steam. That way you don't have to worry about any steam problems.
Hmm...I was always interested in Republic Commando....
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bansama: I kind of disappointed at the large number of people actually advising piracy =(. Moral or not, it's still illegal in most of the world. And the relevant authorities won't give a crap as to whether you actually own a license to play the game or not.

I'm on your side.
The Internet seems to breed double standards like crazy. Extremely disconcerting.
Where are people's principles. =/
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Weclock: the only way you can download a torrent is to simultaneously share it. Torrenting is not an acceptable solution.
Seriously guys, the game is $10 on d2d or steam, if that is breaking your back too much, then what are you even doing at GOG?

Is this really true? If you aren't uploading, you are the end of the chain... aren't you?
If there's no such thing as morality, I see no problem forcing morality on people. What's that if it can't be wrong? Unfortunate? Disliked by social justice enthusiasts? Fine with me.
They can't have it both ways by saying you've purchased a "license" and then don't have a right that that license after you lose your physical copy. For example you really wouldn't have the right to download games you bought on GOG from some other source, because you've bought your actual copy of the game and are responsible for its maintenance. Even if that's not the legalese it is the stated spirit of the relationship.
Short answer: Do yourself a favor and put the question out of your mind forever.
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lukaszthegreat: Morality is a product of religious leaders created to enslave and control plebs. It slows progress and freedom of individual under a lie of 'greater good'. Do not be a subject of that deception sk8ing667.
so no.
i don't think so it is immoral :)

I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's a product of religious leaders, though I whole heartedly agree. But there's social norms, laws that force morality, ones upbringing and dare I say, the thing we call a conscience.
Is it immoral to download a pirated version of something you have already bought? No.
I wouldn't do it, though. I don't trust torrent sites, or the "health" of the files (AV scanners are near hopeless these days). I don't condone piracy, regardless of reason. But people will do whatever they please. And hey, that's the beauty of being human! ;)
Do what you will.
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Shalgroth: Is it immoral to download a pirated version of something you have already bought? No.
it is immoral to assist in the item being pirated, and downloading via torrent will do that.
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Weclock: it is immoral to assist in the item being pirated, and downloading via torrent will do that.

Again, is this true if you're not uploading?
Piracy is piracy and all, but suggesting that it's immoral to download something you've paid for is just asinine.
What shocks me is the lack of people pointing out the complete immorality of the games industry tactics of using DRM that only affects the paying customers and breaks computers from time to time.
Downloading was never infringement of copyright law in the US. Perhaps in other jurisdictions, but it was the person doing the actual uploading that was in violation. And in the vast majority of cases even that isn't illegal, it's a simple breach of the licensing agreement for the item, not a criminal violation. Or in other words, they might levy a steep fine, but they couldn't send you to prison for it. Even now, if somebody else breaks or circumvents the DRM, chances are you're in the clear.
Ultimately, I don't see any real answers from the games industry when their heavy handed and ultimately ineffectual DRM scheme makes the product unusable for the person that paid for the non-function copy.
That being said, downloading is not a smart thing to do. It's hard to prove you own a license, which tends to be moot. And if you do happen to get caught, it's pretty common for people to buy into the infringement as theft legal theory which isn't good and tends to end up being really, really costly for the defendant. It's far more prevalent now for such downloads to have trojans or other nasty bits of malware or to be deliberately booby trapped to cause instability in the code if cracked.
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Weclock: it is immoral to assist in the item being pirated,

I am unconvinced. What do you think will happen if he provides that assistance?
Do you think people will spend less time immersing themselves in entertainment? Really?
Are you afraid our debt-addicted society with its abysmal <10% savings rates will spend less money on entertainment? Are you sure that's something you're afraid of?
It should be clear by now that the moral argument has done nothing but force the issue of whether morality is real at all. Countless people who might never have bothered to give it thought have been forced to do so, and have reached the inevitable conclusion that there is simply no such thing as wrongdoing. This is what the entertainment industry has brought about by hijacking an important foundation of civilization in service to their bottom line. Just you wait and see what happens when they stop calling it piracy and start calling it slavery.
We hang by an illusory thread from a worldwide might-makes-right view of life. If that's what you want, keep plucking at that thread.
I offer an argument against piracy better suited to people who don't want to see the modern world come to an end: Unsavvy, programmable, intellectually lazy people (the sort who don't ask questions and couldn't act on it if they did) are now in near-total control of our society's artistic output, because almost no one else is consistently paying for it. Outside of this community, pretty much everyone is either a pirate or a zombie. Cool idea for a game; bad idea for a civilization. The question was never "will I get into Heaven if I pirate KOTOR?" The question is "what kind of a world will my grandkids grow up in if everyone does?"
One that doesn't produce games anything like KOTOR, for starters.
Post edited November 22, 2009 by einexile
...I'm really on the edge for this particular topic. On one hand, I'd feel morally obligated to try and find a way of getting my hands on a legitamite copy that didn't involve using the internet. I do usually try in most circumstances. Unfortunately, it is often either impossible or expensive to the point of non-issue. I realize that it may not necessarilly be that expensive to replace a copy of KotOR, but it sure has been for other games.
A quick look around for some of the old PSX/PS1 games I own or have wanted to own shows that these games go for over 100 dollars new, often used, as well. But why bother doing that when I can quickly find a rom and emulator?
I think this situation often takes on the.. crap what's the word? Occam's Razor, I think it's spelt. The simplest answer is usually the right one, even if it isn't really the case. I think the same often applies in moral dilemmas. What is the most obvious course of action, and is it the one most readilly accessable/viable for you? As a gamer of very little money, I'd be hard pressed to pay much for an old game, especially if I can just find a digital copy a few clicks away.
Does that answer the question, most likely not. It certainly raised up other questions I'm sure. As others have said, is this situation really a problem of Morality, or implied morals by an industry which takes media and rights surrounding it for granted and to the highest dollar value. Reminds me of my discussion about DLC... just because you can and do charge a highish price for something and people are foolish enough to buy into it, does that really make it okay? In a time when money is scarce?
Ah well, I babble on endlessly, don't I...
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Weclock: it is immoral to assist in the item being pirated,
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einexile: I am unconvinced. What do you think will happen if he provides that assistance?
pirating because other people are going to do it anyway is bullshit.
It's immoral that some people still talks about this moronic bullshit called "digital piracy" when we have millions, billions and trillions of sharers for everything, everywhere. The question is a cultural one, not a legal one. Whoever says the opposite is astray at best.
Do not want "piracy"? Then please "go off line, go outside and go fuck yourself", arrrhh! :-P
Seriously, if you think about "immorality" of downloading some piece of bits that's been already replicated billions of times elsewhere (everywhere), imho you should start thinking about being a sad victim of the industry and media brainwashing.... and no, it's not immoral at all to download a damn billions of bytes if you have already supported the developers once.....
Post edited November 23, 2009 by KingofGnG
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Weclock: it is immoral to assist in the item being pirated, and downloading via torrent will do that.

Morality is a subjective term, it means something different to everyone else.
Turn off file sharing, or limit the uploads to mundane speeds.
But look, piracy has been around so long, in one shape or another. It is literally an uphill battle that will never be won as long as there is a reason for it. Get rid of money, make everything free, and people may stop pirating.
That'll happen when the proverbial pits of Hell freeze over.
Look, as I said, people will do what they want to do. People need no valid reason to steal, and pirates need no valid reason to provide such a service.
I do believe in giving the developers money, within certain circumstances. If they slap the gamer across the face with draconian DRM, or just plain insulting "features" (Modern Warfare 2), then they won't get my money. I won't pirate, but nor will I purchase the game.
So, that's my opinion. And that's just it, it's an opinion. I'm not condoning, I'm not forcing my view, I'm just stating how I feel.
I get it, Weclock, you don't like it. But people will do what they wish.
I'll put it really simple for you:
If you think owning a legitimate copy of the game is important (since you lost the one you already bought, it's the same as not owning it..) then by all means spend 9$ on it on steam/d2d.
Otherwise, just pirate it. you already did the noble thing by buying it the first time.