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ovoon: Apparently it's trolling to post an image up :/
Of course I think Macs blow hardcore, but I'm not trolling. Use the word right.
EDIT: Oh,and I make movies and speical effects all the time with Adobe After Effects (I use premier pro but it is really no good.) Tell me, how is using it on a Mac different than using it on Linux? Or a PC? NONE. The only reason you say it's better for artists, is because artists are trendy. So are macs. They're also simplified beyond belief. I don't like allot PC features either, so i'm not biased.
LINUX FOR LIFE!! :D

Linux is cool, only issue I have is my motherboard don't like it :o oh noes!
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Red_Avatar: The only difference is font support - opening a work made on a Mac in Windows can cause shifting and text to appear wrong because PC and Mac fonts (except for OpenType fonts) tend to be slightly different with slightly different spacing.
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Navagon: Which is why it's unfortunate that OpenType has yet to dominate the font market. It's the only realistic choice for working cross platform.

Very true. Too bad many companies still make use of free or cheap Type1 fonts for their designs. OpenType fonts are not cheap and the more decorative fonts still haven't gotten an OpenType make over. Free fonts are rarely OpenType fonts either.
The solution is to make a new layer where all fonts are in outlines. Then, when you open a Mac design on PC, you can check if anything shifted or disappeared.
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mogamer: This thread brings to light something I've noticed about Mac users/lovers. They can't take a joke! Heavy duty Windows fans can make jokes all day about MS or Windows. But say something that's only a little bit bad or funny about Apple or Macs, then all hell breaks loose.
Another thing I just don't understand is that many Mac users feel that they are anti-establishment. Yet they are fans of a company that uses some of the worst anti-consumer measures for their products.
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rampancy: Way to resort to broad stereotypes, there. I've seen some pretty amusing parodies and ads poking fun at Macs and Mac users; Penny Arcade's take on the Switch ads ("Hi, I'm Raven, and I'm a Pretentious Asshole") comes to mind. But I consider the OPs picture trolling because (a) as pointed out earlier, his laundry list of parts on NewEgg doesn't approximate the typical sort hardware (from manufacturers like Dell) that the Mac Pro is intended to compete against, and (b) as I've mentioned, there are far more cutting and far more amusing ways of poking fun at Mac users than slapping together a bunch of screenshots.
I'm not singling you out, but it strikes me as odd that people still feel the need to boost their sense of self-importance by dumping on others just because they have the Apple logo on their startup screen instead of whatever the feel is the One True Way - but oh well, whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Way to prove the "sterotype" of being humorless. I've seen and made jokes on other forums about Macs and Apple users in general. And the Apple users comments on those forums tend to match yours.
EDIT: Your comment does remind me of another post I made at another forum. It was about the ipad.I made a joke and then a serious comment about the lack of flash. I said it didn't have flashor Sliverlight because Apple didn't want people watching Netflix or Hulu and instead wanted to lock people down to the itunes store. of course the comment about the joke was attacked but nothing about the flash comment. You attack me on the "humorless" part, but say nothing the Apple's blatent anti-conumerism that I mentioned.
Post edited February 09, 2010 by mogamer
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mogamer: This thread brings to light something I've noticed about Mac users/lovers. They can't take a joke! Heavy duty Windows fans can make jokes all day about MS or Windows. But say something that's only a little bit bad or funny about Apple or Macs, then all hell breaks loose.
Another thing I just don't understand is that many Mac users feel that they are anti-establishment. Yet they are fans of a company that uses some of the worst anti-consumer measures for their products.

I own a gaming PC, Ive been a die hard PC user my entire life. I've owned a Macbook Pro for less than a year.
The issue isn't with taking it a joke, the issue is with elitists. I hate Mac elitists, I hate PC elitists, console elitists, etc. They are so blinded by their own brand loyalty that they can't simply allow others to make their own decisions and be happy with them. This ALWAYS leads to someone not willing to accept that they have a legitimate use, and when people respond as such, it always leads to a flame war.
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mogamer: This thread brings to light something I've noticed about Mac users/lovers. They can't take a joke! Heavy duty Windows fans can make jokes all day about MS or Windows. But say something that's only a little bit bad or funny about Apple or Macs, then all hell breaks loose.

It's because the install base is so different. I'm a Mac user and I only dual boot so that I can play GoG and Telltale games, so of course you can take this with a grain of salt, but I'm also a Cowboys fan so I know something about backing an evil empire as well.
The facts are simple: the people in power are the one's you're allowed to make fun of. Ask any comedian in the world and they'll tell you--there's very little funny about making fun of the underdog, you're just picking on the people already losing.
Apple may lead the world in portable computing, but they're still well behind in units sold when compared to a PC. Beyond that Microsoft is a bigger dog than anyone.
That a company with so much financial backing puts out shoddy junk like Vista when they have the resources to avoid it, or that they dumped cruddy XBox 360s on the world for years when they knew about the issue and chose to continue packaging them anyway is a farce when so much funding and capital is available (I am a 360 owner and lover by the way as of Christmas).
This doesn't even take into account things like making me pay 50 bucks a year per person in my household to play on XBox live (I shouldn't have to pay a fee for my fiancee to play 1 vs. 100 with me with her profile). Or the lack of a free and comprehensive anti-virus solution that eliminates the need for stuff like Norton or Mcaffee.
So, yeah, the reason Apple often gets more cred is because for whatever you pay for their stuff you can usually count on it to work. Despite this they still have a very small market share.
So, why can't you make fun of them? Because they do as much as they can right and they (thanks to the obsession of guys like Jobs) put a premium on quality control. Do you pay a high front end for that quality? Yeah, you do, but there's never a doubt that even when they fail they really care about innovating and improving their products. I don't know that you can really say that about Microsoft.
When you then pick on the little engine that could by "defending" a behemoth that doesn't need it you're breaking the cardinal rule of humor. Don't pick on the little guy.
But, what does it say about so many PC users that despite the fact that they're winning the war by miles in terms of sales, in terms of high profile games, in terms of cost per unit--so many of them still feel threatened enough by Apple to take so much time breaking down why they aren't worth the time or why Mac users aren't worth the time.
Face it, computing used to be counter culture, but now it's not. PC users are the man. I know, it sucks, but gamers are around 30-35 years old on average now. There are multiple PCs of some type in many homes. No one is using a non-simplified computer. No one. Those days are gone unless you're changing out glass tubes every few minutes and entering complex programs via punch cards.
Windows users are the belligerent republican right wing party of computing and we mac users are the snooty liberals who would prefer universal health care. Thankfully, I've never had a virus on my mac--so I think my socialized OS works. I also think capitalism left a lot of windows users making really lame excuses for Vista. Oh, and talk about a lack of customer support--how about Microsoft forcing computer vendors to install vista even if people preferred XP?
Short memories, bad jokes.
I'd rather be trendy.
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TheMadSpin: Windows users are the belligerent republican right wing party of computing and we mac users are the snooty liberals who would prefer universal health care. Thankfully, I've never had a virus on my mac--so I think my socialized OS works. I also think capitalism left a lot of windows users making really lame excuses for Vista. Oh, and talk about a lack of customer support--how about Microsoft forcing computer vendors to install vista even if people preferred XP?
Short memories, bad jokes.
I'd rather be trendy.

Your OS of choice is hardly socialized. It's the most locked down OS being used today. And the company that created it will use any means possible to keep it that way. Doesn't sound so liberal to me.
I didn't take the picture... So don't say anything about what they picked, I have no idea.
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TheMadSpin: Windows users are the belligerent republican right wing party of computing and we mac users are the snooty liberals who would prefer universal health care. Thankfully, I've never had a virus on my mac--so I think my socialized OS works. I also think capitalism left a lot of windows users making really lame excuses for Vista. Oh, and talk about a lack of customer support--how about Microsoft forcing computer vendors to install vista even if people preferred XP?
Short memories, bad jokes.
I'd rather be trendy.
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mogamer: Your OS of choice is hardly socialized. It's the most locked down OS being used today. And the company that created it will use any means possible to keep it that way. Doesn't sound so liberal to me.

Sorry, in this case I was misusing the term in a way that made fun of the way Fox News uses it. I should have put ironic quotes around it, but if I had there wouldn't have been anything to nit pick in a self righteous bluster. You can thank me later.
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Catshade: Dude, you should see Linux fans...
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Navagon: But, from what I know, Linux doesn't take a piss on its user base the way Apple does.

Never used Linux, then, have you?
Pick a hardware category, choose a brand, and add "+linux" to the search string in google. You'll discover how useless the community really is. Bunch of elitist stuck up idiots that wouldn't save their own grandmother from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, never mind help you get your commodity hardware working.
Given the choice of dealing with a) getting my hardware running and keeping it running the way that works... and b) paying an extra $500 for the computer, I think I'll take choice B.
And I'm a Linux fan. Have been since pre v1.0 kernel. You should see what the haters are like!
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BoxOfSnoo: You'll discover how useless the community really is. Bunch of elitist stuck up idiots that wouldn't save their own grandmother from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, never mind help you get your commodity hardware working.

Ah, but that's the community. Not the developers. Linux isn't designed to render all third party hardware completely useless with it. It just kind of works out that way.
It's also why I tend to stick with Windows. Which cuts a nice balance between functionality, compatibility and cost.
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Red_Avatar: The solution is to make a new layer where all fonts are in outlines. Then, when you open a Mac design on PC, you can check if anything shifted or disappeared.

Another way would be to convert the fonts you use to opentype before using them.
Post edited February 09, 2010 by Navagon
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Navagon: But, from what I know, Linux doesn't take a piss on its user base the way Apple does.
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BoxOfSnoo: Never used Linux, then, have you?
Pick a hardware category, choose a brand, and add "+linux" to the search string in google. You'll discover how useless the community really is. Bunch of elitist stuck up idiots that wouldn't save their own grandmother from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, never mind help you get your commodity hardware working.
Given the choice of dealing with a) getting my hardware running and keeping it running the way that works... and b) paying an extra $500 for the computer, I think I'll take choice B.
And I'm a Linux fan. Have been since pre v1.0 kernel. You should see what the haters are like!

Okay, that's just flat-out wrong. Yes there are douchebag Linux users, just like there are douchebag Windows users and there are certainly douchebag Mac users, but on the whole, Linux users are no worse than any other average OS user out there and most of them are more than willing to help out their fellow Linux users when they run into problems. I should know, I'm one of them.
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Red_Avatar: The solution is to make a new layer where all fonts are in outlines. Then, when you open a Mac design on PC, you can check if anything shifted or disappeared.
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Navagon: Another way would be to convert the fonts you use to opentype before using them.

Ah but this is a brute-force way of doing things and the results are very mixed. Conversion to OpenType will change according to the software you use so say bureau A converts it and bureau B converts it too, if you then use the converted font of bureau A for the design of bureau B, you may still run into problems. Fonts are so fickle. Outline is the safest way to make sure you remember what it SHOULD look like.
Also, no design bureau will convert fonts anyway - design bureaus are notoriously incompetent with how things should be done. Black overprint, what's that? Mixing PMS colours with CMYK? No problem! Ultra fine white text in a CMYK imagine? Must be possible! In reality, almost every design we receive needs quite a lot of adjustments to be printable so god forbid they would convert their own fonts too *laughs*. Some even still use RGB images in their designs!
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cogadh: Okay, that's just flat-out wrong. Yes there are douchebag Linux users, just like there are douchebag Windows users and there are certainly douchebag Mac users, but on the whole, Linux users are no worse than any other average OS user out there and most of them are more than willing to help out their fellow Linux users when they run into problems. I should know, I'm one of them.

I'm no Linux user but I don't mind Linux users looking down on Windows. The difference is that they didn't pay for their software and that Linux is not a fashion statement but a deliberate choice. Also, Linux is open source and invites free software. I can completely see why some users would prefer Linux over Windows or Mac OS X as a free alternative without getting tied down to licenses.
The difference is that Mac users pay more, have a platform that is more protected than Windows, it has less flexibility and depth and somehow they still believe it's better than both Windows and Linux. All because Apple made the clever move of associating their hardware with creative minds (remember the old ads with Einstein and suchlike?)
Post edited February 09, 2010 by Red_Avatar
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Navagon:
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KavazovAngel:

True for RAM, but I was mostly talking about multitasking on a Unix system like OSX and Windows. When I launch a script in Photoshop, I generally use that time to work on another part on Illustrator or Flash or whatever. On windows, it's obvious that the PS script slow down every other thing you make.
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mogamer: This thread brings to light something I've noticed about Mac users/lovers. They can't take a joke! Heavy duty Windows fans can make jokes all day about MS or Windows. But say something that's only a little bit bad or funny about Apple or Macs, then all hell breaks loose.

This post brings to light something I've noticed about many Windows users when they are talking about Mac users. They have never seen any Mac users thread (where you can read a lot of criticizes and jokes about OSX and Apple), yet they instantly judge Mac users as being some sort of over-confident rich boys all devoted to their iGuru.
Post edited February 09, 2010 by DarthKaal
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Navagon: Nothing. Adobe's software has been practically identical on both platforms for over a decade. Equally having multiple programs running is simply a matter of having enough RAM and configuring the apps properly. Same as with a Mac.
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DarthKaal: True for RAM, but I was mostly talking about multitasking on a Unix system like OSX and Windows. When I launch a script in Photoshop, I generally use that time to work on another part on Illustrator or Flash or whatever. On windows, it's obvious that the PS script slow down every other thing you make.

Eh? Not so on my PC. That's why we have quad cores - one core handles the script while the others are free to run Illustrator or Flash.
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Red_Avatar: Eh? Not so on my PC. That's why we have quad cores - one core handles the script while the others are free to run Illustrator or Flash.

Hmm, fair enough, but not everybody has quad core in their PC.