If anything adding launch DLC makes the game less valuable, the DLC is not tradable or sellable. You cannot let your friend play it. On PC you cannot even let your kids play it (unless you share an account and computer, which they discourage and sometimes manage to make impossible, or is already impossible should you kid have their own comp). Say I decide to trade it in in a few months in order to buy a brand new May/June release. Well it's worth less now. So they're doing anything but increasing the value of the game at launch.

I love the gameplay, but the PC restrictions are to damn steep... i'm going console on this for now...

looks and plays great, amazing ideas and this'll be my little diversion till Grim Dawn and Torchlight 2 drop...

not only that, but they attack a whole bunch of "species" of gamers: the retro gamers

retro gaming today:
hunt down games at the flew market or on ebay, maybe some are expensive, but if you are persistent and with luck you get a nice collection of mega drive games for example that you can honor here and there by playing through them

retro gaming in the future:
you think about building your collection of retro games and realise that when you buy that cheap pack of 10 games that guy offers on ebay, you have to pay 150 bucks after that to truly complete those games, you are unhappy and the guy on ebay is unhappy too and throws the games away

also what exactly does Kingdoms of Amalur do? It basically says pirating games is ok, as long as you dont pirate the DLC. The DLC is the income after the game goes to the used market, and if you would have bought it used if you have bought it, the only one that has the moral rights to get you to court would be some unknown guy on ebay or the flew market or one of your friends, yes say one of your friends has the game and would have sold it to you, then ask your friend if he would plz not take you to court for pirating the game ... yeah if you pirate it when you would have bought it used you do no harm to the industry.

i know pirating is wrong, but Curt Schilling seems to think otherwise - as long as you would have bought the game used and of course dont pirate the DLC.

This is really off the deep end.

They are not doing anything to support piracy. They said nothing of such and no studio would wittingly support piracy. They're offering a bonus to people that buy the game new, whether it was content cut or added after the game went into testing is yet to be known. They're just figuring out how they can get people to buy the game new or pay for the DLC so they can make money. The move is to offer something that would temp a player to buy new since they would get free content where the used buyer wouldn't get that content unless they bought it as DLC. And it's not like the content is needed, the game still runs, has tons of content and a complete story. And as for dropping the games Value, I don't really think that's the case, a game's Value is really based on whether it sells, games that sell retain their value despite content, a game with 70 hours of content could drop in price faster than a game with 10 hours of content.

I'm not saying Used games are Evil or Wrong, but companies do lose money from them when they get sold over and over again and it is true that the Industry started it by making games that had little reason to play them again, but the companies have to make money, they have to pay their workers. I'm just excited to see a new company that makes honest to goodness RPGs and a new RPG IP that isn't some MMOs. RPGs have grown stagnant lately and some new blood is much needed, I really want to see 38 studios succeed so it isn't just Bethesda, Obsidian and Bioware. (and Spiderweb but I was speaking of AAA titles and not Indie.)

If they want to make money they should make a game people want to buy, not some other crap that ruins gaming.

And no they are of course not supporting piracy, but through those events they make it clear that piracy and buying games used is no different for them - and that give pirates a moral backup so to say.

Also all that "they barely survive without the money they make this way" can be applied to everything and anything they will do in the future.

I will ask you this, at which point are you willing to say its greed? When they take out half the game and sell it for DLC? When they do it like EA and make 200$ DLC for Mass Effect? When they charge money per day for a singelplayer game?

Things happen step by step, and as long as people support those greedy attempts to kill used game markets and make it clear that used game buyers which also collect old games for the future like little museums are the scum of the earth, they wont stop finding new ways.

Maybe so far all is good for you, but maybe the next step gets on your nerves and frustrates you away from gaming. Maybe not the next, but the step after that. Then you are like "oh those greedy people, why are they corrupting the market like this and brand innocent people by putting them in the same drawer as pirates?" and someone will find argue against you and say that they barely survive without getting all your money for one game or selling your first born sun as a slave or whatever. And believe me, there are publishers that would do that.

I don't really get all the hate. Buying used games for PC has become the exception rather than the rule for some time already. If you buy a game on Steam or a retail Steamworks title you can't resell it. Newer GFWL games are the same because the key is activated on a single account now. Older EA games had SecuROM activations only so in theory you could deactivate the game, uninstall, and sell your CD but now you also activate the game on your Origin account so it can't be resold either. Battle.net also does this.
The only ones affected are console gamers and I'm sure that next generation consoles are gonna have all games tied to your PSN or Live account anyway like us. If you are gonna protest against this you should've done it years ago when Steam started becoming dominant. Now it's too late, your only option is to stick to DRM-Free games.

You're Arguing a Slippery Slope. If those things were to happen, I would not buy the product where it would happen but those things are not happening here.

Nor does it treat used buyers as Pirates, if they wanted to do that, they would make it so the code would unlock the entire game, basically what the PC gaming industry does all the time with Steam, Impulse and Origin as well as other DRM. The code gives bonus material, it doesn't make the game playable.

What is happening here is a compromise, the know the game can and will be bought used but give a bonus to make the new game a better value for those that buy it new. It's not like the 7 quests taken off were the main storyline, they're optional and a used gamer will still get a good value from the game, unless The Devs, publishers and critics are lying. The game is still going to have a good hour to money value even without the DLC.

I'm just being honest I was going to pick up this game but because of where I live and not having internet connection I will not be picking this game up until they release a GOTY edition with all the content on the disc.

Enjoyed my time with the demo, so I'll certainly consider picking it up. BUT I am making myself finish something I already have before I buy another game.

All of EA's new releases require online activation via Origin, so even if a GOTY version comes out you'll still need the internet to install it. :(

Arianus may be taking about getting it for the PS3 or Xbox 360... I doubt they are going to require you to have an internet connection with origin to play on a console...

Ah, I wasn't thinking of console versions, but even there internet activation is still a possibility. Some console GOTY releases have the DLC content on the disc but locked with a single-use key (to reduce resale value) that has to be activated online.

The Red Dead Redemption Complete that came out last November just gave you everything, (literally), no keys involved, everything was on 2 discs.

Thats what I was talking about! :)

They don't, but unlike the DA:O and Mass Effect 2 tie in with Blood Armor and all that you will need to link your XBox Live account to your Origin account to unlock the bonus items in both games.

Though in this case bonus items are obtained by merely playing the demos, I guess it's hard to get mad at that one.