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Shannqa: What can change the nature of a man?
Steven Seagal?
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Shannqa: What can change the nature of a man?
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Breja: Steven Seagal?
The same one that fled to Russia to avoid paying US taxes, and now teaches martial arts in Russia? Lol. He's the real deal. That was the one that him and Jean Claud Van Dam got into a huge public argument. Jean Claud took Shotokan. I took Shotokan (very briefly) years ago. In my opinion, it's up in the air who would have won.

Steven Segal is the real deal. He was the only non-japanese person allowed to teach Aikido in Japan. But Van Dam had Shotokan training (also from Japan). It's a toss up in my opinion. Jacky Chan, he's very theatrical. It's more about show than actual movement. I laugh at Jackie Chan. But Segal and Van Dam? Respect.

If you want to see a good, genuine martial arts movie, watch the move Shaolin vs Ninja. Some of it is ridiculous, but most of it (I think) is authentic. It's not like the Hollywood crap these days. You can find it on youtube. It's a good martial arts movie.
Post edited March 08, 2025 by Plasticine879
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Carradice: Best Turn Based: HoM&M3
Turn point?
Turn based, sorry.
Indeed, a starting point would be separating on genres, because there can be no "must play" in a genre you don't like. And then there's the question of what you're willing to put up with, in terms of QoL, graphics, controls and more.

That said, for RPGs, if you can put up with the late 90s, I'll add another vote for Planescape: Torment. (No idea about the EE, so don't ask.)
And, still on RPGs, if you can put up with all the bugginess or trust the community patching and assume that version to be "correct", I'll also say Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines.
And if you can go further back, to the early '90s, Betrayal at Krondor.
And then there's Might and Magic VI, which was also released in the late 90s but plays and to some extent even looks like it was made a few years earlier.

FPS/RPG hybrid and a futuristic setting? Yep, Deus Ex. And this comes from someone who can't stomach FPSs. But you don't have to play it as one.

ARPG? Don't know if "must play", but I am fond of Divine Divinity. Definitely see it as leagues above the big or otherwise popular names in the genre, which I just can't stand. Then again, that may also mean that fans of the genre won't like it.

On a different note, can you do Win 3.x dungeon crawler? Then Castle of the Winds.

Or... Want to play and create a people's story? King of Dragon Pass is quite... something else...

TBS? King's Bounty: The Legend. Poor in the story department, but gameplay and art, top notch.

For racing, not that I played many, and I will agree with the nostalgia of Stunts, but that may be hard to stomach these days, so I'll go with Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed.

RTS? I'd still go with StarCraft + Brood War. But not the best one to ask about that.

Hm, I have 11... Well, remove one if you want round numbers. Maybe the racing. Or CotW.
"Karate, so you're Japanese huh? Now I'll show you some Chinese kungfu". It's a great film, highly recommended if you like martial arts films. It's fun.
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Plasticine879: The same one that fled to Russia to avoid paying US taxes, and now teaches martial arts in Russia? Lol. He's the real deal.
The same one who claimed he couldn't be "choked out", so stuntman Gene LeBell proceeded to choke him out to the point that Seagal shit his pants. This story is denied of course by Seagal himself, but confirmed by witnesses, who confirm the incident, but not the crapping the pants part.
Post edited March 08, 2025 by GilesHabibula
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.Keys: Thank you very much for the info!
Allow me to ask, why you haven't listed your preferred versions of FF4, or there are none? (I really don't know and it got me curious.)

Or you just despise FF4? :P
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dtgreene: It's more that I've played FF4 so much over the years, due to not having access to other entries (1 NES has only 1 save slot, and 2, 3, and 5 were Japan-only until well after their original release), combined with the lack of build flexibility (you *always* have the same party at any given point in the game), that causes the game to get stake.

Other early FF games allow for some build flexibility, or let you choose the mixture of classes you're using, allowing you to try different builds and combinations on repeat playthrough, so those games don't go stale the way FF4 does when you've played it too many times.

As for my recommended versions:
* For a first playthrough, I'd go with the Japanese SFC version fan translated, or with the PS1 version. You get all the original content and difficulty, which is lacking in the US SNES release, and the difficulty is lacking in GBA and later 2D versions.
* For a repeat playthrough, I'd go with a 3D version. The DS version is the one to play if you want a challenge, as it has a feature (Rydia's Whyt summon, and minigames to boost its stats) that's not present in later 3D versions. On the other hand, later 3D versions offer a lower difficulty option, and without sometimes the game is a bit too much. The big thing with 3D versions is the augment system, which provides at least some build flexibility, at the cost of introducing permanent missables into the game.
I see. Thanks for explaining!
I didn't even knew there were so many versions of these games.
All information noted. :)


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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: - Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix
Just wanted to point out that KH2FM had one of the best action rpg combats of that era. Great fun.
Spent a lot of time trying to complete the Data Organization XVIII's 13 "secret" bosses and 'Lingering Will' (Now we know it was Tera's vengeance will against Xehanort.) hardest secret boss fight too on Critical mode (1 hit = death without the proper abilities equipped). Oh the lore, the secrets, the questions! Fun times if you could deal with the annoyance of Disney characters everywhere and nonsensical story.
Post edited March 08, 2025 by .Keys
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Plasticine879: The same one that fled to Russia to avoid paying US taxes, and now teaches martial arts in Russia? Lol. He's the real deal.
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GilesHabibula: The same one who claimed he couldn't be "choked out", so stuntman Gene LeBell proceeded to choke him out to the point that Seagal shit his pants. This story is denied of course by Seagal himself, but confirmed by witnesses, who confirm the incident, but not the crapping the pants part.
No kidding? Lol. I did not know that. Huh. That's funny. He was actually hired at some police department before he left. I think he had a tv show about it. Never cared to watch it. But that's funny, I never knew that. But I'll tell you. Both of my brothers always said to me when I was a kid, no matter how big you think you are, there's always someone bigger, and it's true.

Just lol..
Post edited March 09, 2025 by Plasticine879
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TheBigCore: * Leisure Suit Larry 4
Could you DM me images of the floppies?
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TheBigCore: * Leisure Suit Larry 4
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brouer: Could you DM me images of the floppies?
Good one :D
I'm sure THOSE would be worth quite a lot.
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TheBigCore: * Leisure Suit Larry 4
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brouer: Could you DM me images of the floppies?
Thanks for reminding me of that error in the list. Doh!

Sadly, I don't have those floppies. :D
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Geromino: Which games do you like, and why do you recommend them?
Many great titles here already so I've omitted most of the usual classics like Duke Nukem, Doom, Descent etc...

Great, charming, fun, interesting point and click adventures:
Beneath a Steel Sky
Deponia series
The Dig
Machinarium (luckily not as surreal as Samarost)
Primordia
Stasis series
Syberia series
The Book of Unwritten Tales I

First-person/third-person fps/rpgs:
Alan Wake I (great atmosphere and well written, plays like a book)
Alien: Isolation (THE best horror game, slightly above SOMA, Little Nightmares, Stasis, Outlast I, Dead Space series, Metro series, and Amnesia. all of these are a must-play in my mind)
Bulletstorm (wacky, fun, mindless fps with interesting combat options/mechanics. flawed but has 100x more charm, humour and re-playability than say COD f.ex.)
Dead Rising III and Dying Light I (awesome weapon combos and all-round fun zombie slasher)
Enderal: Forgotten Stories (the best total conversion ever made, excellent written story and world. best with mods)
Fallout: London (another great TC. Much much bigger than I originally thought and better than Fo4 itself)
Ghost of a Tail (charming little stealth game)
God Of War 2016 (basically a 20h+ interactive movie with Scandinavian gods)
Prey 2006 (new one is good too but this has a special place for me, also with fun combat options/mechanics)
Satisfactory (not as complicated as Factorio but combining automation, factory-building and exploration in first-person is fantastic)
Selaco (taking the Doom-engine to a whole new dimension with destructibility, excellent graphics, effects and OST)
TES Skyrim / Morrowind (great open-world rpg, much to discover, mods are a must)
The Witcher 3 (the RPG game that still hasn't been beaten, and probably never will)

Isometric/side view:
Aven Colony (simple and very relaxing atmosphere)
Diablo II (the ARPG that started it)
Graveyard Keeper (a morbid but fun twist on Stardew Valley)
Grim Dawn (outstanding ARPG, the Diablo III we needed)
King's Bounty: The legend (very charming take on HoMM, and relaxing)
Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden (not a fan of TBS in general but has excellent atmosphere and fun characters. little hope for a sequel, but Miasma Chronicles is on my list)
Oxygen Not Included (interesting space-colony sim, lots to do, reminds me a little of SimTower but with ants)
Railgrade (because I'm sure I was born on a train and love OpenTTD, great campaign and sandbox mode)
Stardew Valley (just for "World Piece" and all the things you can farm and collect. oh look, a CAT!)

Consoles:
BurnOut series (PS2, excellent combo of racing and crashing)
Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 (PS2, just a classic, a racing game with mirrored tracks)
Super Mario RPG (SNES, very charming light-rpg adventure)


I'm sure I've missed a couple but that's it for now. XD
Some games in random order:
Doom 2
Unreal
Age of Empires 2
Red Alert 2
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Drakan: Order of the Flame
Heroes of Might & Magic III and V
Might & Magic VII
Titan Quest
Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines
Divinity 2 (not Original Sin). Optimally Ego Draconis, not Dragon Knight Saga.

The I of the Dragon
Diablo 1
Duke Nukem 3D
Carmageddon 2
Worms Armageddon
Soul Reaver 2
Max Payne
Blood
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect 1
GTA 2
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Games I had a lot of fun with

Multiplayer FPS: Unreal Tournament / Quake 3 / CS 1.6 / Battlefield 1942 & 4, Aliens vs predator
FPS: Halflife, Wolfenstein, Doom, call of duty, call of the juarez, Fear, Max Payne 3, Mass effect, Just cause 3

Beat them up: golden axe, batman series
Platforming: commander keen / duke nukem / prince of persia / portal
Racing: stunts, need for speed, flatout, test drive
RTS: Command & Conquer / Red Alert / Age of Empires 2
RPG: Witcher / Morrowwind / Diablo 2 / Deus Ex / KOTOR
Turn based: Magic, HOMM 3, Civilization, Total War, Galiactic Civlization 2
Casual: Wacky wheels / Serious Sam 2 multiplayer (brainless shooting)
Open world: Assassins creed / GTA
Adventure: Indiana jones and the fate of atlantis
City builders: SimCity
Flight simulator: aces of europe / pacific / IL1946 / Crimson Skies
Space: freelander, descent

Settlers 2: relaxing RTS
Story: the walking dead
XIII: comic book style
Pirates Gold
NOLF
These days, I don't really have any "must own" games, since my computer is so old and incapable of playing most modern titles. Once upon a time, though, my "must owns" would have included anything in the SimCity series before they ruined it in 2013, or anything in the Civilization series, before the first one to require an internet connection to activate, Civ V.

Nowadays, my "must own" list is more of a wishlist for whenever I manage to replace my ancient computer with something less ancient. Amongst others, if it is still available, I will probably acquire Cities Skylines and most of its DLC, and I would love to play Skyrim and whatever Elder Scrolls VI ends up being called. Skyrim is just a little bit beyond my current geriatric computer's abilities. Oblivion is one of my favorites though.