never mind

GOG probably won't get Skyrim until after the 15th edition is released.

I never played through the story of Skyrim... just wandered around, gathered armor, and leveled abilities. But...

... I'd still buy that game on GOG in an instant.

There's just so much in-game and mod content!

But although I thought Skyrim had a chance of coming here a few years back, I tend not to think that now. Sadly I just don't see Bethesda allowing a DRM-free version.

I'm betting on not before Elder Scrolls 6, or when Skyrim can be played on OpenMW.

what I do know, is that DRM free movment is not about choice, but a fanatical black-and-white understanding based on personal interpretaion of a concept which has never been well defiend.

Wheter the inclusion of CC is DRM or not depends on how you personally define what DRM is. and that's all I have to say about it, becuase any further discusion is fruitless, as we all define DRM differently.
Cheers, thats right . I keep mixing them up

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Not really. A desire to smear everyone who dislikes DRM as a "fanatic" or questioning others mental health as some form of 'overcompensation' because you are 'tired' of hearing about complaints of DRM often comes across as lacking self-awareness / 'concern trolling' in itself. How long have you been here, 14 years? You know exactly what GOG's Unique Selling Point is (and it isn't just "old games" for which other stores sell plenty of too, with very, very few being GOG exclusives). If I'd been a customer for 14 years at a store called "Good Old Lossless Audio", I'd certainly have the self awareness to not express fake surprise / manufactured indignation that a larger than normal percentage of the stores customers will naturally care more about FLAC files and will criticise 96kb/s WMA's more than the average person. That's not "extremism", that's plain common sense.

No, in this case it's quite simple. Skyrim already has Steam's DRM as clearly marked on PCGW (you know, the bit that says "All versions require Steam DRM..."), so both LE & SE are already DRM'd. If Skyrim SE additionally has thousands of lines of code baked into the game (that LE doesn't) that goes online to perform an ownership check for CC content and simply copy / pasting that as a release on another platform with the same Steam specific / CC server code causes it to crash because it can't 'phone home' for an ownership check, then obviously online content ownership checks are DRM, with nothing vague about that at all.

Micro-transaction gated content by definition is DRM whether CC or unlocking coins in-game on the Google Play Store. About the only thing I agree with you on is the pointlessness of arguing with someone who claims online ownership checks "aren't DRM because sometimes some people have personal definitions" when that is in fact a very clear-cut definition of exactly what DRM is and is designed to do... And of course having to go through all that SE code and remove all those thousands of lines of CC Digital Content Rights Management code just for a GOG release plays a large part in Skyrim SE not being here vs Morrowind & Oblivion. And although they could technically release Skyrim LE here DRM-Free, that's unlikely for the same reason we don't have Age of Empires 1-2 originals despite being formerly released DRM-Free on DVD-ROM - remasteritus, so the CC code still plays a part in not doing any DRM-Free release at all, even for LE...

No more than Dungeons of Dredmor. On HB when i got the game, it has the mods section with that in it, but it just sits empty unless you inject your own. At best there is a workaround and at worst you have to *GASP* Install the mods yourself....

Quite easy to remove, as it only really checks at launch if you have the game on steam, or at least the copy i have does. Not that i've used the official steam copy in years. I think no matter how hard they push for that, it won't go well. Best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Entertaining and informative!

that's nothing like Creation Club. you might want to look into what it actually is before you make comparisons

Well everybody has a different definition of Creation Club, so arguing with you is obviously futile.

Why there is no Skyrim? Because everyone wants it and they don't have such a big amount of copies :)

Uses the steam API... So yes it is; The only difference would be if you were dumb enough to pay money for it or not.

do you even know what Creation Club is? are you mixing it with Creation Kit?

TIL that:
1) All mods are paid ones.
2) All mod support systems were created by Todd Howard.

Therefore, support a small creator like Bethesda and buy Skyrim again.*

*Message brought to you by Zodd Boward. Any similarities to Todd Howard are completely unintentional.