Posted December 12, 2014
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htown1980: What? If you say you don't think gg are harassers I have to believe you, but if I say I don't like gg because I think it is stupid, not harassers, I don't get believed, notwithstanding I have said that all along? Sorry tough guy, I think you're lying there.
You have to believe me? Didn't I explicitly grant you that the harassers might identify with GG so that we could have this discussion? And you're against GG because it's stupid, not because of harassment or threats? Then why is it you continue to push this analogy revolving around guilt by association with those making threats or harassing others?
Also: I don't particularly care that you're anti-GG. That's your opinion. What I've argued against since we began this back-and-forth is your foolish analogy.
htown1980: They don't have to be identical though, there just needs to be a relevant similarity. That's the mistake you and others consistently make, "the analogy fails because the two groups are different in some way". Correct, I am not saying they are identical, I am just saying the example (not the groups, the situation itself) is analogous.
Neither the groups nor the situations are analogous. Edit: Actually, the better way to phrase this would be that the nature of the group is very relevant to the situation.
htown1980: You think you just choose to believe whatever you want? I'm not sure that's how faith works...
A church is a building, its nothing like GG. I am suggesting being a member of a congregation is like being a member of GG, in that both are groups that you can, based purely on ideological reasons, stay with or leave, you can leave that congregation and join another congregation if you so choose, without changing your belief system.
Maybe we could change it to a social group. Lets call it the "Pokemon Fanclub". The Brooklyn chapter and the New York Chapter both love Pokemon. The Brooklyn chapter is misandrist (again not, saying #gg is misandrist). Now, you can stick with the misandrist Brooklyn chapter, notwithstanding that you might not be misandrist yourself or you can leave and join the NY one. If you don't leave, however, you run the risk of being considered a supporter of misandry by way of... "guilt by association".
Does it really matter whether the group is religious or not? Of course not, pokemon, religion, etc, its all irrelevant to the analogy. Its all just background, the key is, you can choose to stick with that organisation or not, and if you don't, going back to the discussion about guilt by association, you run that risk.
The Brooklyn chapter might be explicitly misandrist by creed or implicitly misandrist by failing to exercise a power to remove misandrist members. Neither is analogous to GG, as pointed out and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post1098]here. A church is a building, its nothing like GG. I am suggesting being a member of a congregation is like being a member of GG, in that both are groups that you can, based purely on ideological reasons, stay with or leave, you can leave that congregation and join another congregation if you so choose, without changing your belief system.
Maybe we could change it to a social group. Lets call it the "Pokemon Fanclub". The Brooklyn chapter and the New York Chapter both love Pokemon. The Brooklyn chapter is misandrist (again not, saying #gg is misandrist). Now, you can stick with the misandrist Brooklyn chapter, notwithstanding that you might not be misandrist yourself or you can leave and join the NY one. If you don't leave, however, you run the risk of being considered a supporter of misandry by way of... "guilt by association".
Does it really matter whether the group is religious or not? Of course not, pokemon, religion, etc, its all irrelevant to the analogy. Its all just background, the key is, you can choose to stick with that organisation or not, and if you don't, going back to the discussion about guilt by association, you run that risk.
You continue to dress your analogy in new clothes, but it doesn't change anything.
htown1980: Yes. Well done. If the violence continues, and they do not leave, notwithstanding they could do so, they are guilty by association. It is not the same as committing the violence, but by continuing to be in that group, rather than leave, they implicitly condone those actions. If they do not condone those actions, they must leave.
p.s. Are you comparing the violence and destruction of OWS to #gg? That is outrageous! How dare you! #gg has not been responsible for any destruction of property or criminal acts! What is wrong with you!?!?
I really should thank you. I'm literally laughing out loud reading your replies. It's putting me in a great mood. ;) p.s. Are you comparing the violence and destruction of OWS to #gg? That is outrageous! How dare you! #gg has not been responsible for any destruction of property or criminal acts! What is wrong with you!?!?
I offered it not as a legitimate comparison but in hopes that it might cause you to realize how ridiculous your own analogy is... That you missed the point is hilarious.
And of course by actually accepting the analogy, it is you who are making the "outrageous" comparison. :P
So... just to be clear: According to you, open movements more-or-less cannot exist, because once a single person commits a crime in the name of the movement, even if explicitly denounced by the overwhelming majority of that movement, the entire movement should disband or else be guilty by association?
I'm still not clear on why a tiny minority gets to decide what the group stands for... But I imagine you have some glorious string of nonsense justifying it?
Post edited December 12, 2014 by SeduceMePlz