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Internet Aristocrat currently has a livestream up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYi8_34nERw
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TwilightBard: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2goxc4/progg_as_an_aspiring_female_game_dev_im/ I urge everyone to read this. This is what the games 'journalists' are doing. This is what the resistance to the movement are driving away. This is a woman who is so scared of what these people will do to her that she's willing to abandon her dream. And she believes in gamers.
That's heartbreaking to read :|. I wish there was something we could do to help this woman... Then again - perhaps this is the best we can do? Talking about it, keeping the industry as honest as we can... The irony of the situation is hardly lost on me - here we have a woman who doesn't feel safe in the industry due to bigotry and preconceived notions on how games should be made... but, obviously, gamers are not her opponents but her allies; the people holding her back are from the SJW camp (as broadly or as narrowly defined as need be).

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Spinorial: Take everything this guy has to say with a dollop of salt. Notice how his partners are all Fox News, and in other circumstances he'd be first to smear shit at anything gaming.
I couldn't agree more. We've made some shady allies that we need to keep track of. He's in this for his own goals, but so far he's doing the right thing...
In the end, while this could be used against us ("Look at the people supporting them!"), this also works amazingly FOR us, in a way. Think about it - we have support from people from all walks of life. There's a conservative guy, a feminist philosopher, guy from WikiLeaks, Richard Dawkins (whom I dislike, but I guess he has experience when it comes to arguing with dogmatic ignoramuses)... and the hordes of gamers from all around the world: women and men, young and old, black and white...
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What did Julian Assange say about Gamergate? I missed that.
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Vestin: That's heartbreaking to read :|. I wish there was something we could do to help this woman... Then again - perhaps this is the best we can do? Talking about it, keeping the industry as honest as we can... The irony of the situation is hardly lost on me - here we have a woman who doesn't feel safe in the industry due to bigotry and preconceived notions on how games should be made... but, obviously, gamers are not her opponents but her allies; the people holding her back are from the SJW camp (as broadly or as narrowly defined as need be).
It's depressing. Not even the first developer attacked in all of this. AAA Developers can claim that their freedoms aren't being pressured, but how much of that is the fact that a huge corporation that's beholden to shareholders have one hell of a barrier for intimidation in those shareholders?

I don't know what to say with all of this, it makes me heartbroken, and at the same time just adds to the fire that I feel with all of this.

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Vestin: I couldn't agree more. We've made some shady allies that we need to keep track of. He's in this for his own goals, but so far he's doing the right thing...
In the end, while this could be used against us ("Look at the people supporting them!"), this also works amazingly FOR us, in a way. Think about it - we have support from people from all walks of life. There's a conservative guy, a feminist philosopher, guy from WikiLeaks, Richard Dawkins (whom I dislike, but I guess he has experience when it comes to arguing with dogmatic ignoramuses)... and the hordes of gamers from all around the world: women and men, young and old, black and white...
I have to agree, but I'm willing to take allies where we can at the moment, we're not exactly swimming in them, but it's definitely worth keeping an eye on anyone that might have another agenda. I do however appreciate that he's making an effort to at least try games, so that might actually be interesting to see someone's opinion coming from the outside.

But I am amazed in how many people have been coming out in support of what's going on, it's amazing to see.
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keithdrop: What did Julian Assange say about Gamergate? I missed that.
Here you go.

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TwilightBard: I do however appreciate that he's making an effort to at least try games, so that might actually be interesting to see someone's opinion coming from the outside.
Outside, eh? If he gives them enough of a chance, he'll probably be yet another person on the "inside". Let's be honest here: games are fun.

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TwilightBard: But I am amazed in how many people have been coming out in support of what's going on, it's amazing to see.
It's just a constant reminder that we're not some vile, hateful people. I like to make sure of this from time to time, to avoid ever stumbling into some Darth Vader territory ;P. I guess all people involved in this would benefit from regular sanity checks. The ones who honestly have good intentions anyway...
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Vestin: Outside, eh? If he gives them enough of a chance, he'll probably be yet another person on the "inside". Let's be honest here: games are fun.
Oh yeah, wonderful things and great stress relief, you just gotta find what suits you.

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Vestin: It's just a constant reminder that we're not some vile, hateful people. I like to make sure of this from time to time, to avoid ever stumbling into some Darth Vader territory ;P. I guess all people involved in this would benefit from regular sanity checks. The ones who honestly have good intentions anyway...
I don't know, sometimes going into Darth Vader territory sounds like a good way of relieving stress. Bad way to live your life though. Sanity checks would be nice but I'm pretty sure that calling the characters I write 'The voices in my head' is an automatic failure of any check though.
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Just gonna leave this here: http://youtu.be/Tkto-HtXqg8

And on a lighter note: https://twitter.com/GameJournoPros
Post edited September 18, 2014 by WBGhiro
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OK, I have a question to pose to everyone. Is this issue part of the result of gaming now being a part of the 24/7 news cycle like the rest of the world? Clickbaiting to try to get views when there are no articles to run, the drive to start to have an agenda to push so that they can get more clicks because there's nothing to do?

I just remember when most gaming magazines really didn't have the time, or the space in general to do stuff like this. Where it was all games, and nothing else. And getting it once a month might have put us behind, but it also didn't leave the people with time on their hands to fill.
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WBGhiro: Just gonna leave this here: http://youtu.be/Tkto-HtXqg8

And on a lighter note: https://twitter.com/GameJournoPros
https://twitter.com/GameJournoPros/status/512427825589415936

This reminds me of one article (a few months ago) on Gamasutra where devs in the comments admitted they paid (or didn't have the money) to get an article published in some online magazines. A 3-digit amount of money was the norm and it could went up to 4-digit amount. Obviously, they didn't tell which magazines in fear of getting blacklisted...
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TwilightBard: OK, I have a question to pose to everyone. Is this issue part of the result of gaming now being a part of the 24/7 news cycle like the rest of the world? Clickbaiting to try to get views when there are no articles to run, the drive to start to have an agenda to push so that they can get more clicks because there's nothing to do?

I just remember when most gaming magazines really didn't have the time, or the space in general to do stuff like this. Where it was all games, and nothing else. And getting it once a month might have put us behind, but it also didn't leave the people with time on their hands to fill.
I think having a few clickbait articles once and then is fine, or even having a "leg1t journalizm" site like kotaku on it's own is completely healthy.

The problem comes when all sites are clickbait and don't even have the decency not to regurgitate the same clickbait over and over again, all the big sites have become the human centipede when it comes to that.

I've already switched to http://techraptor.net/ which is really gaining a lot of leverage lately. And am also keeping an eye out on how http://www.goodgamers.us/ turns out.
Speaking of clickbait - here's a nice article...

It's funny how #gamergate has raised the bar of gaming journalism. Right now the requirements seem to be: some respect for your audience and some interest in things you are supposed to write about. It boggles the mind that this is an improvement...
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Vestin: Speaking of clickbait - here's a nice article...

It's funny how #gamergate has raised the bar of gaming journalism. Right now the requirements seem to be: some respect for your audience and some interest in things you are supposed to write about. It boggles the mind that this is an improvement...
#gamergate has shown me the utter disdain some game news sites, publishers and developers have for their core audience. I wonder how long it will take the owners and advertisers of those sites to recognize that fact? It will probably need a quarterly business report showing decreased web traffic. I honestly didn't know most of them even existed until #gamergate and their response to it. I wasn't interested enough in their web sites to frequent them before August 2014 and I'm even less interested now.
Post edited September 18, 2014 by book99
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I hear you, my personal problem is that these newsoutlets directly controll what games we get from the indi sector, but i want all games not just the one fitting into their world- or economical-view.

it is just horrible what they did to TFYC and Devi Ever. And it would be a big loss to the gaming community if this goes unpunished
For anyone interrested, here is an interview by Niche Gamers with thos Anonymous Xbox developers from Microsoft about Gamergate.

You should give it a read. ;-)
It feels like the sort of motivations speech you are given before the final mission of a campaign... As much as I tend to be heavily skewed towards the intellectual side, this actually really spoke to me on an emotional level. For good reason too - we are not alone. We have ordinary gamers, indie devs, devs from major corporations, our unexpected allies with their various interests... When this is over, I don't know about you, but I know one thing I will probably remember particularly fondly will be how "people banded together in the most unusual of alliances". Well - that and Vivian James ^^'.