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EverNightX: If I wanna have a PC version of Persona 5 Royal, or Elden Ring or Red Dead 2 I need Steam.
That's not true for RDR 2. You can get that for PC with the Rockstar Launcher only, with no Steam required.

Additionally, it is also on EGS as an alternative option to Steam.
Post edited March 29, 2023 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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DoomSooth: They didn't get released for PC because consoles were cheaper and they knew nobody would buy console versions if they could have a PC version that's better.
Uh, why would a developer care if they made the sale for console or PC as long as they made the sale? This makes no sense.

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DoomSooth: Consoles made it easier for people to afford games.
Nope. Easier to afford hardware maybe, not games.

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DoomSooth: How many console games were available on Steam when it went up?
The day it went up? Probably none. Cuz it just went up. What are you 3? It's once it was proven successful that devs flocked to it.

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DoomSooth: Some of the things there aren't even games.
So?

Look its fine if you have some weird hatred of Steam. I don't care. I was just explaining to you why people use it...to play games they can't get for PC otherwise. Duh....
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EverNightX: Sigh, no before Steam we had a tiny fraction of the games we have today. Consoles had most of the great games
I remember back in school, several console gaming peers were drooling over 90's FPS's like Doom when they were still playing the same old 2D beat-em-ups / platformers like Street Fighter and Sonic so I definitely think there's some cherry-picked memories of "consoles having most of the great games" there. Most Nintendo IP is still as Nintendo-only as ever. Likewise from what I've seen, for years Sony gave Valve the same middle-finger they gave everyone else. The recent PS4 console ports only started coming to PC after Epic started throwing serious money at them in a way Valve didn't (and they are often more likely to come to GOG far quicker than many Steam only releases do). Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to buy The Order: 1886 and Horizon Forbidden West on Steam (oh wait...) ;-)
Post edited March 29, 2023 by BrianSim
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That's not true for RDR 2. You can get that for PC with the Rockstar Launcher only, with no Steam required.
Additionally, it is also on EGS as an alternative option to Steam.
Yeah, that's true for RDR2. And Epic is an alternative for a # of titles. But the point is some games want you to go thru some kind of DRM launching software. Steam just being the most common.
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BrianSim: I remember back in school, several console gaming peers were drooling over 90's FPS's like Doom when they were still playing the same old 2D beat-em-ups / platformers like Street Fighter and Sonic so I definitely think there's some cherry-picked memories of "consoles having most of the great games" there.
PCs did have first person shooters pretty exclusively for a while because of hardware (I think Halo was the turning point) but there were so many more good games on console. Basically all of Japan ignored PC. And for whatever reason a lot of the greatest games if not entire genres have come from that one country.
Post edited March 29, 2023 by EverNightX
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SitcomAntibody: Every time you load a website, your computer downloads and then runs a script (Javascript). If that script is malicious and your browser is out of date, it could "pwn" your system and you wouldn't even know it. Sure, you can block scripts. But if you do, a ton of websites will simply stop working these days.
Then they never wanted me or aren't needed to start with.

I block everything, and i rather miss the HTML 1.1 where everything loaded simply without needing scripts at all (unless you wanted something like a fairy following your mouse on geocities pages, along with Diablo font style and spinning gif skulls)

This is a lot like whole sites required you to have Flash, and i didn't have flash or didn't trust flash, or it used too many resources, so i check a site, can't see anything, and leave never to return.

Sucks to be them...
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rtcvb32: I block everything
Sucks to be them...
That's interesting since you can't reply on this forum if you blocked its JavaScript.
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EverNightX:
PC gaming was fine before Steam. It would be fine without it. DRM-free stores are the only good things that have come from Steam's existence.

There I go shilling for DRM-free again. Shame on me.
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rtcvb32: I block everything
Sucks to be them...
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EverNightX: That's interesting since you can't reply on this forum if you blocked its JavaScript.
Deny by default, allow by exception (temporarily)
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DoomSooth: There I go shilling for DRM-free again. Shame on me.
DRM-free is great. And some games on Steam are DRM free. It would be cool if they all were. But again, just answering your question as to why people use it.

I want to play Persona 5 tonight. Without the DRM I'd be back to console like I had to do before.

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DosFreak: Deny by default, allow by exception (temporarily)
Sure you can do that. But that's not what I'd call blocking everything.
Post edited March 29, 2023 by EverNightX
Someone probably mentioned this already, but people should download their installers from GOG before GOG decides to remove support for a given OS - after all, part of the idea of being DRM free is preservation, and GOG doesn't even let people download older builds properly.
Windows 7 is ancient. Get over it.
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EverNightX: That's interesting since you can't reply on this forum if you blocked its JavaScript.
He probably means he's running a whitelist adblock / NoScript. Which is entirely sane considering W10 / W11 does literally nothing to stop scam adverts actively sponsored by Google themselves...

Another tip - don't use W10 / W11's "Snip & Sketch" to do stuff like cropping financial data / passwords out of an image. It actually leaves the data recoverable from the file. Turns out proper free photo editors like Paint.NET are far safer even under W7 than official Microsoft W10 / W11 'modern apps'...
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BrianSim: considering W10 / W11 does literally nothing to stop scam adverts actively sponsored by Google themselves
I don't use Windows. But I don't see what Windows 10/11 has to do with scam advertisements on a web page.
Post edited March 29, 2023 by EverNightX
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EverNightX: I don't use Windows. But I don't see what Windows or any OS has to do with scam advertisements on a web page.
It doesn't but that was my point. Every time the subject of W7 support ending comes up there's always some who think simply running W10 / W11 in their default / stock configuration makes them magically secure. In reality most financial loss, compromised credentials, etc, has nothing to do with the OS, ie, someone on W7 using Noscript and whitelisting "good" sites is far less likely to get scammed than someone lulled into a false sense of security simply because they upgraded to W11.
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KingofGnG: Windows 7 is ancient. Get over it.
You're lucky people don't feel the same way about games released here that are much older than Windows 7.