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mechmouse: Steam isn't JUST a store, its a huge multifaceted platform

It offers a hosted forum service, these are created and administrated by the devs and publishers of the game, and in many cases is the primary point of contact with said group.
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PixelBoy: But you can't blame Steam/Valve for that.
They aren't doing anything to prevent developers/publishers using some other platforms, like competing stores or social media for that very purpose.

If they choose to use Steam forums, then it's their choice, and it is in fact they, not Valve, who is creating the problem.

All developers could simply just stop using Steam forums and go to Reddit or whatever if they wanted to.

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mechmouse: Valve has dominance over PC gaming and it has control over a significant communication platform for PC gamers. If this was Microsoft doing the same kind of stuff they'd be raked over the coals for it!
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PixelBoy: I suppose there is some irony in the fact that Steam is actually a great counter force to Microsoft.
They offer a place to buy games, which is not Microsoft store, and they also support Linux as an alternative to Windows (more than GOG does, to add to the irony there).
steam is drm, i dont care how much they support if they are a drm company.
I think censorship is bad at any forum, they should just delete spam, but if you provide best service then you should not be afraid of concurent services...
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ppdouble: I think censorship is bad at any forum, they should just delete spam, but if you provide best service then you should not be afraid of concurent services...
The only way to remain being the "best service" IS to fear competitors and stay one step ahead of them. And this includes not allowing free advertising for said competitors on your own premises.
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paladin181: They've shut me down for linking in a giveaway. Pretty sure their policy is no links to other stores.
Then maybe the moderator or staff member needed a reminder of the forum's code of conduct. Threads like itch.io giveaways are still going, complete with links.
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breakercode: If that is true when we amplify that to other sectors, you shouldn't have a Nokia if you work at Apple, you shouldn't enter an Adidas shop using Nike stuff or even use a HP Laptop while working for Lenovo, etc...
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pds41: You're not comparing like with like. In "amplifying" this, you've created an entirely different scenario to the one you got into trouble for.

Examples:

You can own a Samsung phone if you work at Apple. You cannot go into an Apple store and tell customers to go next door and buy a Samsung instead and expect to not be removed from the store.

You can enter an Adidas shop while wearing Nike clothes, but you cannot expect to be allowed to tell customers in that store that your Adidas trainers are better and they should go next door and buy trainers there instead. Again, security will remove you.

With your example about working for Lenovo, then they won't care if you use a laptop from HP. However, if you posted on social media about how much better your HP laptop was than Lenovo ones, then you might discover that you've breached the terms of your contract and get fired for misconduct.

Ultimately, don't confuse using different products with going into a store and actively advertising a competitor - which is kind of what you did. As much as I don't like Steam, I understand their response and can't criticise it.
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mechmouse: Steam isn't JUST a store, its a huge multifaceted platform

It offers a hosted forum service, these are created and administrated by the devs and publishers of the game, and in many cases is the primary point of contact with said group.
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PixelBoy: But you can't blame Steam/Valve for that.
They aren't doing anything to prevent developers/publishers using some other platforms, like competing stores or social media for that very purpose.

If they choose to use Steam forums, then it's their choice, and it is in fact they, not Valve, who is creating the problem.

All developers could simply just stop using Steam forums and go to Reddit or whatever if they wanted to.

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mechmouse: Valve has dominance over PC gaming and it has control over a significant communication platform for PC gamers. If this was Microsoft doing the same kind of stuff they'd be raked over the coals for it!
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PixelBoy: ---
I suppose there is some irony in the fact that Steam is actually a great counter force to Microsoft.
They offer a place to buy games, which is not Microsoft store, and they also support Linux as an alternative to Windows (more than GOG does, to add to the irony there).
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Spectrum_Legacy: dude please don't shoot him just yet. He isn't trying to get us to buy the game over on steam, rather than getting the pub to release the game here. I wonder if they have similar CoC on steam forums that the pub moderates and disallows links to other stores too.
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lupineshadow: Stop calling people dude and stop trying to play the fanboy straw man to ridiculous arguments.

Steam were well within their rights to delete OPs post on the Steam forums. They didn't have to but they chose to.

It's not censorship - it wasn't a general comment about GOG or even comparing the merits of the platforms, it was inciting people to lobby for a publisher to release on a rival platform, which would be to the direct detriment of Steam.
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breakercode: If that is true when we amplify that to other sectors, you shouldn't have a Nokia if you work at Apple, you shouldn't enter an Adidas shop using Nike stuff or even use a HP Laptop while working for Lenovo, etc...
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Grargar: Ah, my old nemesis... false equivalence. Ve meet again.
If all of this is right, why they allow CDPR to have their own games, Witcher and Cyberpunk 2077 (which are massive hits) on Steam but Valve don't do the other way arround with Portal and Half Life despite being old games ? :o
Post edited March 01, 2023 by breakercode
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breakercode: If all of this is right, why they allow CDPR to have their own games, Witcher and Cyberpunk 2077 (which are massive hits) on Steam but Valve don't do the other way arround with Portal and Half Life despite being old games ? :o
Completely irrelevant to what I said, but I'll answer this one. Valve is under no obligation to bring their games here, just because a sister company of GOG brought Witcher and Cyberpunk to Steam. In fact, CDPR is also not obliged to bring their games to Steam, but they do it because they don't want to miss Steam's huge userbase.
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breakercode: If all of this is right, why they allow CDPR to have their own games, Witcher and Cyberpunk 2077 (which are massive hits) on Steam but Valve don't do the other way arround with Portal and Half Life despite being old games ? :o
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Grargar: Completely irrelevant to what I said, but I'll answer this one. Valve is under no obligation to bring their games here, just because a sister company of GOG brought Witcher and Cyberpunk to Steam. In fact, CDPR is also not obliged to bring their games to Steam, but they do it because they don't want to miss Steam's huge userbase.
Two weights two measures, understood. Just stay cool please...
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Grargar: Completely irrelevant to what I said, but I'll answer this one. Valve is under no obligation to bring their games here, just because a sister company of GOG brought Witcher and Cyberpunk to Steam. In fact, CDPR is also not obliged to bring their games to Steam, but they do it because they don't want to miss Steam's huge userbase.
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breakercode: Two weights two measures, understood. Just stay cool please...
Heh, that's how you react if you can't find nothing wrong within a post and still want to be against it ^^

He's absolutely right, you know. No one forced CDPR to go to Steam - except the market.
Cyberpunk and Witcher were huge successes, true. And most of the revenue (on PC) was generated on Steam.
He have to stay realistic when it come to GOGs market presence.

Would I like to see Half Life here? Sure. But it ain't gonna happen.
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breakercode: Two weights two measures, understood. Just stay cool please...
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neumi5694: Heh, that's how you react if you can't find nothing wrong within a post and still want to be against it ^^

He's absolutely right, you know. No one forced CDPR to go to Steam - except the market.
Cyberpunk and Witcher were huge successes, true. And most of the revenue (on PC) was generated on Steam.
He have to stay realistic when it come to GOGs market presence.

Would I like to see Half Life here? Sure. But it ain't gonna happen.
I'm not against anything, however as someone said i'm also not obligated to accept.

I believe CDPR considered to release only on GOG (regarding PC ofc) but they choose not to, even if that means not tie new users to their related store in order to force a boost on sales of all store. They acted just right by not jeopardizing any user on other PC Launchers which already have their game collections. Even GOG Galaxy allows a single place for you to have control of your libraries on other stores.

Sorry but for me is not correct to allow one company to do a good thing like GOG, and others just to be greedy as Steam.
Post edited March 01, 2023 by breakercode
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Shadowstalker16: No game store cares about censorship.[...]
that;s because they are businesses, not governments.
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breakercode: Sorry but for me is not correct to allow one company to do a good thing like GOG, and others just to be greedy as Steam.
You do realise that GOG has rejected a load of games, while Steam has accepted them almost unconditionally after dropping the Greenlight thing?

So if you are forced to buy a game from Steam, the fault is not necessarily on Steam's side. I know this from a personal experience, as there was a period when almost every game I was looking forward to was rejected by GOG.

And Valve doesn't seem to be to interested in forcing their monopoly either. After all, they could have banned all CD Projekt Red games from Steam in order to hurt GOG by hurting the same parent company, but they did no such thing.
And I have never heard of Steam doing any paid exclusive deals, like Epic does. Maybe they do, but at least not the same way as Epic.

Steam can be, and should be, criticised for several things, but I'm not sure any of your points are really hitting the mark here.
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PixelBoy: And I have never heard of Steam doing any paid exclusive deals, like Epic does. Maybe they do, but at least not the same way as Epic.
They actually did during their early days. As a condition to coming to Steam, Valve did insist that the first 3rd party developers to come to Steam during 2004-2005 remove their own 'competing' "direct download" version from their (developer's) own website along with even downloadable playable demo's so that Steam was "exclusively" the only place to get them (little different to Epic's timed exclusives that the 'No Steam, No Buy' crowd are up in arms about). Darwinia's 18 year old forum announcement describing this is even still up:-

"As part of the launch and Steam's exclusivity, we will no longer be offering Darwinia as a download option from our site, although it will still be possible to purchase shipped boxed copies. At Valve's request we will also be removing the demo from our site for about a month."
https://forums.introversion.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=40203

Valve is under no obligation to sell their own games (Half Life, etc) elsewhere in response to the competition being on Steam (Witcher, Cyberpunk, etc), but plenty of "Valve are the good guys because they've never pushed for 3rd party exclusives like evil Epic" seem to have short memories of them doing exactly that during their early 2004-2005 years...
How many thousands of exclusives does Steam have?
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Shadowstalker16: No game store cares about censorship.[...]
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amok: that;s because they are businesses, not governments.
A business should be even more invested in trying to steer an industry away from a path that's unprofitable and dangerous to travel in the long-term. Once mob-outrage is seen as a legitimate means of censorship, the floodgates will be open for every online lunatic to make their mark by trying to get games pulled for x, y or z righteous reason.

But principles spook investors so they just go with it.
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DoomSooth: How many thousands of exclusives does Steam have?
If you define exclusivity as only being available in 1 place, many thousands

If your version of exclusive requires the transfer of money or favours then its still many thousands, but you get to pretend otherwise
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Shadowstalker16: A business should be even more invested in trying to steer an industry away from a path that's unprofitable and dangerous to travel in the long-term.
Have you SEEN capitalism? Q4 is about as far forward as most companies care to look.
Post edited March 01, 2023 by mechmouse