Last episode was horrible! This "we will risk countless civilian lives and our homeworld, but won't our principles" is just dumb! Listen, you are a Starfleet! You have to protect your colonies and people on them! This is why Lorca was ok and Burnam is not. Officer with rank and sense of duty CAN'T put his principles before lives of people which he must protect. That was horrible! Also, civilized and progressive =/= punchbag who can't make tough decisions and hit back.

Is there anything left to salvage? Lorca is dead. Burnam and Empress in not interesting. Ash is gone (but this is a good thing!). The only good characters left is Saru and Stamets. Well, they can make Tilly a less annoying character and this is all! 3 characters at best! And no interesting plot twists/devices left.

On the other hand this may be good: scrap all that left from first season and start from a blank page.

No I wasn't joking about the CGI. A lot of the space battle effects did look really good but that still doesn't excuse the stupidity of the shroom drive. I can't take it seriously whenever it spins around for a jump.

That was one of the slightly better ones but your right. The Groundhog Day idea has been reused in just about every sci-fi show made and its ending was out of place with the dark tone of the series.

I also have to agree with that this ensrhinement-like devotion to Starfleet's ideals borders on a certain benign fanaticism; almost like a Tolkienesque Elf vibe.

Also agree with Vitek that the ending felt kind of cheap. It feels like it hit all the right buttons but that it wasn't the ending they were writing toward. It very much felt like a last-minute tie-up almost like something a cartoon would do.

I will say one thing for this writing though. It's not your standard stuff, and in that sense, I actually like it. You can normally see the narratives endings and twists in most things a mile away, but I don't think anybody would have predicted the show would end like this.

The effects were mostly ok, as were the sets, the show obviously has a good budget, but the cinematography is really poor and ruins most of that. Most of the show was so poorly shot I still have little idea how many of the ships actually look like and same goes for a lot of Discovery interiors. For example in the final episode the Klingon fleet approaching Earth is just a bunch of hard to make out techno-blobs. Also, the "dramatic crunch time tilted camera" thing was overused to the point of hilarity.

So what? Klingons could be defeated by flying monkeys - that ending you allso couldn't predict, but would it make it good?

Oh, and btw do you remember how Federation-Dominion war ended in DS9?

something something spirit ninjas?

honestly the vibe I get from the ending is almost one of realism. that because nothing went to plan and things just settled down it was a little truer to reality in a way. I definitely don't think they planned that. I think it ended like this because of some serious retooling of the narrative somewhere along the way (again this was a legit ripoff of tardigrades at one time). of course then I think of "I GOT A BOMB!" in the Klingon parliament or senate or whatever it was and I cringe again.

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Part of the problem in Discovery is that wen ever see those ideals in action. We never see it like in TNG, with science, exploration, diplomacy and cooperation where we would actually see those principles in action. Here they are just phrases recited or shouted out by characters.

One of the funnier things I just realised when talking about hte last episode with a friend, is that throught the whole show we never saw any of the Federation outside a few ships, but the one time we visited the homeworld of the xenophobic Klingons it's full of various races including humans.

No. With Federation nearly wiping out Founders using a virus. Sounds familiar?

right, yes, I was only remembering the thing with the prophets and Sisko. yeah the virus, true, but the virus wasn't Starfleet. that was section 38.

edit: 31

And so what? The point is Federation in desperate situation tried to commit genocide. And in the last moment folks from main cast swooped in and gave antivirus to Odo (member of the Dominion) so he cured everyone and made peace. You still don't see any similarities?

yeah but that was different because in that case it was a paramilitary secret society within Starfleet and in Discovery it was actually Starfleet high command.

There is some news about season 2 in the net. I can't find particular twitter, but:

1. In season 2 there will be no war and more exploring.
2. In season 2 will be much less continuous story and much more separate missions.

Looks like DIS might be coming back to TOS/TNG style.

P.S. After last episode people start to make jokes about DIS: A Klingon, a lover, and a Starfleet officer walks into a bar. Bartender asks: "As usual, Lieutenant Tyler?".

couldn't make it through the first 3 episodes bad acting poor plot and over use of CGI ,I came back a few episodes later ( first series is always a bit iffy ) worse than Enterprise with some of the worst dialouge I've heard...You saved us etc Klligons that have no honour

Orville feels more like Trek and I'll wait for season 3 of The Expanse,this trash belongs in the 2$ special bin

Because no one remembers Worf. (

Actually, many people remember TNG and Worf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Zc8Co2H3w