What bugged me the most was the Klingons haven't been seen in 100 years plot. Wasn't that the start to both Battlestar Galacticas? How unoriginal.

I didn't exactly think it was bad, but it wasn't very good either. Very meh.

One problem is that all the series (except maybe TOS) took at least a season to really get going. For example, TNG took a season for Troi to quit telling us the obvious such as the crew feeling uneasy after the ship has been attacked. If i understand correctly, each season is supposed to be a new story this time which doesn't give it time for the comradery to gel among the crew.

As a long time Trek fan, I think it's a shit stain on the series. Not one of the previous series started off perfectly, but they at least had charm and good characters. This however, is about as unimaginative as it'll ever get for Star Trek.

Watching it, I couldn't help but feel that I was watching a bunch of special needs people play Star Trek in a play area. The Klingons talk sooo slowly as they drool over themselves, the Federation characters have no emotion or generally can't act.

Then there is the fact that most of it looks like it takes places after the Next Generation movies. It completely throws the series out of the shows continuity. It is just sad and poorly done.

The only good thing about it is the use of special effects. it looked nice. This is Star Trek for stupid people with short attention spans. Kind of like Star Wars.

In terms of production values yes, but beyond that... maybe I'm overly critical becasue of my disappointment, but there's just so much about this that doesn't make sense - small things and big.

Klingons have not been seen in a 100 years, but Klingons also killed the main charachters parents.
A hologram can sit his ass on a table in her apartment. ( I know, such a nitpick but it reall made me cringe).
If the Klingons wanted to lure a fleet there and have a battle, why were they hiding? Why did they wait for them to aim phasers on them before revealing themselves? What if the Shenzhou just left after fixing the antenna? Why was there a single klingon walking around the outside of their ship? The whole first half of that episode really makes no sense. And really, the mutiny makes very little sense too. Not only is it hard to believe a starfleet officer supposedly ready for her own command would do that, but also it was so transparent and obviously doomed to fail, it not only makes her look bad from a moral standpoint, but also just plain stupid.

And there are problems that come from the ignored continuity, which are a separate batch. Why is she asking Sarek about how Vulcans dealt with the Klingons? They are members of the federation, have been for over a century, wouldn't that be common knowdledge available to all, something they'd teach you in the academy? And what makes their secret so special? Humans have alos dealt with Klingons since before the federation, as we know from Enterprise. Are Archer's adventures also kept secret? And of course cloaking device, which they should not yet have, and now a full-on war that never gets mentioned in TOS despite happening right before it, making everyone except Chekov presumably it's veterans, unless it's stopped in like right the next episode before any more fighting happens.

Watched it last night. I already knew not to get my hopes up by the trailers and I was right. Once again they managed to absolutely not get what made Star Trek so succesfull. Just like in Enterprise the technology on the ships for example are far to advanced. Why is it so hard to grasp for these people destroying what Star Trek once was that something which takes place a decade before TOS that the ships and tools availble to the crew can't be more advanced than in TOS?

Don't get me started on the look of the Klingons and how they talk like they are slow in the head.

To make a long story short (because I can keep going on all the things wrong with Discovery) this is utter trash and will fail because long time star trek fans will get annoyed with all the mistakes and the mainstream doesn't care enough to subscribe to watch this. It happened to Enterprise and it will happen to Discovery if that even makes it through 4 seasons since it makes Enterprise look like a masterpiece.

Uh that all doesn't sound too good.

You know, I actually thought that Enterprise got that aspect mostly right. I mean, given the fact that it was made decades after TOS, so had to look both more advanced (to believably be set in the future) and less. They actually took good care to showcase a lot of technology not working, or working wrong, and a lot was just absent. And, for me at last, the design, just the aestethic of it all, was pretty much on point - going in the TOS direction but obviously more rough around the edges, more bare bone so to speak, lacking the future artful design and polish. For me at least it worked. And I think even those fans for whom it didn't have to admit that at least some thought went into it. Here? Fuck it, let's communicate via 3D holograms like the ones introduced in the later seasons of DS9.

This is something else that struck me. Fans are obviously going to hate it, as it disregards canon in pretty much every way imaginable. It makes the new movies (set in an alternate timeline!) look slavishly beholden to Trek's past in comparison. But for new audience... would anyone who doesn't know Trek have any idea what's going on, and who or what anything is? Federation, Klingons, Starfleet, Vulcans... none of it is introduced or explained in any way. If you don't know Trek, you're screwed, you'd have to watch it with a wiki open, checking up on everything and everyonne that get's mentioned.

Have not seen it yet (and currently not much desire). But from what all I read: Dark Trek: BSG Remake Edition ?

In Regards to Design/Technology and taking place around the time of Captain Pike - Is this Series part of the old TOS Timeline/Universe or of the One from the newer movies?

One of the producers said its part of the prime timeline. But I fear the same guy would insist a banana being an t-bone steak based on trailers, fan reactions and this very thread.

I just keep thinking back to every other Star Trek series and how mutiny was an unspeakable act within the Federation. When it happened there was always some special circumstance like the Captain being controlled by an alien or some such. Mutinies were built up over an entire episode (or in the case of BSG a two-parter) and were really intense because the audience had been following these characters for years. Without that hook, there's no point doing it.

Exactly. Or think about the Equinox two-parter in Voyager, where Janeway I think gave Chakotay more then enough good reasons to mutinee, I would actually have been on his side if he did, but even then he did not, because "that would be crossing the line". And that's coming from a guy who was a Maqui.

I seriously don't see how they can possibly bring her back from that to seriving on a starship, not to mention as a senior officer.

ah did someone mention did Chakotay? that's one of the sticking points of Voyager for me. unlike a lot of folks I really liked Voyager and I think it deserves its place alongside the rest. Chakotay though was their biggest wasted opportunity. should have been such an interesting character, a counterpoint to Janeway. a source of masculinity and and decision-making process based as much on instinct and personal code as principle and Starfleet regulations. he should have been at odds with Janeway a lot. there should have been this running tangent of whether or not Chakotay would turn on Janeway and try and take command, which would have made an episode like Equinox all the more impactful. very shortly after the start of the series they just turned him into this bland backup man for Janeway with a fancy wall of hair in place of his greying buzzcut. made no sense.

as for the technology bits I agree with you again Breja I think Enterprise did an excellent job of appearing behind the times of TOS from an in-universe perspective while also bringing that off well and making it watchable given the actual date the show was made.

as for this though, it's clear what they're doing. holding it to some kind of standard will only disappoint. they're using Trek as a well from which to draw and a brand from which to market. any Trek-esque themes that make their way through will probably be the exception and not the rule.

I only half agree. I do agree there should have been instances of them disagreeing, and that something like Equinox could have been a breaking point, and at the very least should have result in them being much more at odds and not trustin each other as much etc.

But I don't think there should laways have been a question of Chakotay maybe trying to take over. There should haveb een more times they were at odds, but I actually liked the fact Chakotay always seemed like someone with a very strong sense of personal honor, who once he promised Janeway his loyalty would hold onto that promise through hell and high water. That is what made their conflicts, when they occured, that much more dramatic to me - it was more tense to see that strong bond at a possible breaking point. It's just a shame that those few possible breaking points always went unused, and the "reset" button was always hit.

(just so we're clear- I still like Voyager a lot, despite it's shortcomings)

I've seen someone in a comment say that we should be treating it as hard reboot rather than any sort of prequel, and I think that's probably very true, unless the future episodes are drasticaly different. It's basically the Terminator Salvation of Star Trek. A prequel that's actually a reboot, doesn't feel like part of the franchise at all, answers questions no one asked and makes little to no sense even on it's own.

I'd prefer something like Equinox as more of a culmination than a breaking point, from the perspective of what happens moving forward I mean. Equinix would be like a trial-by-fire, a testing of their professional and personal relationship that after which, would be much stronger.

The Chakotay I'm thinking of is more one on paper than what we know. It would certainly have changed the character but I think it would have made his character better and made the show more interesting. I'm thinking more of what the Chakotay we saw in the first few episodes would have been like had he stuck around. He doesn't have to serve under her to stay loyal to a promise of aid to the crew and ship is how I see it. Hell maybe we even get "the season where Chakotay commanded" out of that.

It's definitely more reboot than continuation. I mean god it would have to be at this point. You could just see this possibly leading into a TOS reboot. Any notions that this is not made with intent of superceding the other TV shows should be thrown away at this point. This is 100% JJ Abrams reboot stuff.

It's far more than that. Abrams movies took great care to make it clear they are in a separate, alternate timeline, so nothing got "rebooted". And still they looked and felt closer to the "real" thing. I mean, I know many people hate it and all, but at least from a technical standpoint I think they did great work updating the original look into something that works in a modern big budget feature movie but still looks familiar enough for us to sort of pretend it's the same thing, just seen through a bigger budget decades later. The uniforms, the ship (which is all bright and doesn't look like submarine running on fumes) the technology, it's all still immediately recognisable.