Considering the guy who did it was a historian in a universe where the Eugenics War happened, and the Federation was set up to actively avoid authoritarianism for that specific purpose, I feel like it's reasonable to call it a stupid decision, even if it's a good point. He should know better.

Honestly, it seems to me like she came to a reasonable conclusion (the idea of firing on the Klingons, she maybe should have given the mutiny a bit more thought) given the information she had and past experiences. It wouldn't have worked, of course, but that's not really the point.

oooooooh boy. i love reading these. as a true trek fan, i refused to even watch that shit show. just from the previews you could tell immediately that it was going to be a liberal propaganda piece. thats how the propaganda companies work, they already cut into star wars, it seemed only natural that star trek would be their next victim....

The reason for the mutiny was flimsy at best (and even that's generous), and the mutiny was laughable. Argue with the captain in front of everybody, then a minute later emerge alone from her office claiming "it's ok, she changed her mind, we're doing it my way! Oh, and the captain is, uhm, busy. Very busy. Left me in command to do that thing she categorically didn't want done a second ago." I know they didn't fall for it, thank heaven for that at least, but still the lasting image of Burnham left by the pilot is a rash, hot-headed idiot.

She got like, two minutes from the nerve pinch. Come on! You can do better than that!

I actually got through the episode, in little bits while doing other stuff. It gets slightly better later on, with a few decent character moments and finally some flashes of decency from some crew members. But there's also plenty of new stupidity that I no longer even feel like listing, everything about the Klingons continues to look horrible and bringing in Harry Mudd is just horrible. Suddenly the jolly schemer from TOS is a war prisoner of the Klingons. Yeah, It's so pointless and hamfisted. Like Sarek in the pilot, Discovery has this weird problem where it does everything to be nothing like Star Trek and not fit into continuity at all... and then it drags in a character from the original show to make trying to not think about how it all doesn't fit together impossible.

Also, we now have our first to "f-bombs" in Trek history, entirely worthless and pointless just as expected. At least Data's "oooh shit!" in Generations made sense, this felt like "hey, we're five episodes in, we should take advantage of that license to swear already!". And we learned that Klingons rape war prisoners. Becasue why not. I'm sure there's some more horrible things we can have them do, to make them appear as horrible and savage and possible, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. In the Discovery's universe there is no Klingon opera, there's only Klingon rape porn.

Oh, and of course we have creepy, nonsensical twist ending, because ending an episode on a slightly optimistic note is just out of the question. This is Discovery - there is no hope, there is only more horror lurking around the corner.

At this point it sounds like the only people watching it are hate watching it. Doesn't sound like much of a ratings bonanza.

Probably hard to determine, but if you weren't a huge Star Trek nerd, is it watchable?

That's OK for a character to do stupid thing once in a while, especially if later he (or other character) admits that it was really stupid thing to do. But when a character does stupid things contiuosly and the show passes those stupid actions as professionalism and intellegence it's just idiocy.
And why do you think that it was stupid desicion? If he tried to meddle with invesitgation, it could just raise more suspicions.
You would be surprised, but there was a culture with idiology similar to Nazi that was successful (to a degree). A certain people in the Middel East, who conquered the whole land, claiming that they are chosen nation and this land was promised them by God.

The most funny thing is that even propaganda can be well made. I really enjoyed Dreamfall Chapters game, despite their "straight people are evil opressors, who will bend whole world for the cause of their straightness" message in the later part of the story (and other SJW stuff).
But ST: Discovery is bad not just because it's propaganda, but because it's simply a lousy tv-show.

I've only watched a few episodes of Voyager (didn't like it) and a couple of episodes of Enterprise (it was fine), and so far I'm enjoying the show. Usually at the end of an episode I feel up for watching another, and probably would have finished the season by now if the episodes weren't being released week-to-week.

Haven't watched the latest episode yet though. Right now I'm in the middle of binging Mindhunter, that show is pretty great so far.

Episode 5 was kindof ok. Not as dumb as the fourth one, except "captain travelles in the shuttle just to be captured". Also in the subplot with Ripper looks like Seru just ignores Burnam's warnings. While in reality he indeed has no choice - every minute of waiting means captain can be tortured to death. They should have put more emphasis on that in the dialogs.

Like I said before, it has to separate sets of problems. The "untrek" nature of it and totally breaking the canon is one, and the other is all the terrible writing, tiresome Klingons with hilariously bad make up and boring, unlikeable characters. So I think that even forgetting about the Star Trek connection it still sucks.

A friend of mine who likes Trek but isn't a huge fan in the same way I am and doesn't even notice most of the canon issues likes it more than I do, but he admits it's terribly stupid and watches it in a "turn of your brain anbd relax" way. And he fast forwards through all the Klingon stuff he also find unbearable. So not exactly a glwoing recommendation.

WHAT?!?!?!?!

"What" as in "why do I think it was a bad idea" or "what" as in "wait a minute, Harry Mudd is in this? WTF?"

The latter.
It shocked me so much that of all Star Trek character they chose this goofy twit to include in this gritty series that I just had, after several weeks of ignoring this forum, to make that highly important and content heavy post to express my feelings. :-)


I have not watched the series yet.
Earlier this year I decided to go through all of Star Trek and I am still in the process of it and quite far from finishing it.
Also I want more episodes to be releases so I am don't have to wait week for each episode.

I plan to watch it but after reading this thread I expect to be disappointed quite a lot.
It doesn't fun overall and on top of that I am a big fan of Klingons and it seems they got butchered a lot in this one.
But I'll still watch it. After all I am watching Voyager and that's no pleasant experience overall for me either. :-)

To quote any captain ever at some point in longer shows: "Brace for impact!". No matter if you are a fan of TOS or TMP/TNG Klingons it feels like they went a few extra miles and took utmost care to alienate as much Klingons Fans as possible no matter what.

With all that unnecessary additional makeup these Wannabe Klingons are not even a good random alien race (unless they planned to animate their faces but forgot that step).

These STD Klingons... They are worse than Kazon! There I said it. Seriously, they could at least show emotions and even had good looking spaceships which did not looked like Giger rejects.

I would honestly love to see what these actors would do with actual Klingon makeup and outfits that allowed them to move.