Moral feelings? General speaking or in this case ?

That bit about people doing it for moral reasons was more in general and not focused on you per se.....sorry if it came off as such.....I also know some do it for data protection reasons/etc.

Also why is it important for the sake of healthy societies? People spy on each other all the time....if anything i'd say THAT was more "normal"(i.e. human curiosity branched out to a higher, more official and purpose driven[even if for bad purposes] level).
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Note the following(and the above as well) are not me trying to change your mind on Win10 or make you use such...just me replying...that said:

Yes, but one could change them back or block updating as long as possible.

Maybe one could give such tech fake/misleading info if allowed? Dunno....couldn't ever afford one easily.

I have used google search on rare occasion(mostly use duckduckgo and such), though I don't use facebook myself other than to read(without account) other people's pages.

What about gift cards that work online with no info needed? That's another option for some.

Me? I use my card because I don't mind people knowing what games I buy & it's protected from unauthorized purchases.....I can see why it'd be worrisome to others, though.

Well that's just common sense.

What is that? Never heard of it.

I don's use such due to those reasons and also pricing....though if I did i'd tape the cams/mics over when not in use or similar....I wonder if that's work? :|

They are corporate, not govt.....so their job is usually not to secure but profit off of data...hence the differences in how they do such gathering and why they do it.

(But this is going political so i'll leave this one bit at that)

It was likely always "coming to Win7".....even if unofficially. It is almost certain it would've run on 7 before, but they couldn't list it as such due to 7 going EOL/EOS.
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I was talking about both, in my case....I don't find moral feelings/stances to be often worth the effort to do for many things, as the net positives(tangible ones I can make use of in this life) aren't that great....it's often just a good feeling one did "something right or noble" that they can talk about/brag a bit about with pride from time to time.

Again, I wasn't trying to be overly and intentionally mean towards those that uphold such stances, I just don't find a use for such most times.

Ah i was unclear i see :) so do you think we do "stand against" Win10 because of "feelings" ?

Not you per se.....I was just musing in general here, for the most part, as a side thing while discussing the topic(as it was tangentially related, imo).

People who do boycotts/don't use some things for x or y moral reason....I just never got doing that for the most part.....we live such short lives(and boycotting isn't effective when a few people do it anyways), and to cut one's self off from so many things due to just that reason/similar reasons(to me) seemed a waste. I admire those who can stick to their guns, though, and I respect their stances....even if I don't do such myself most time or find a use for such most times.

Addition: Me? I'm more into taking advantage of said "bad"(this is often subjective, and even if not it's often something minor a company did) companies in deep sales or buying their stuff used. This way I get something out of it more than just a feeling of doing good and little else, and not having to deny something I could make use of as some choose to do.

Ah ok i read it like "nah you silly folk just boycotting it not for facts that you named but only to feel better"
sorry completely misread that, thats why i asked in the first place :)

And to your stance, its perfectly understandable i mean i'm not Rorschach with his "never compromise not even in the
face of armageddon".
And yeah doing things just to "feel better" or brag about it on twitter, yeah thats...lets say i'm no big fan off :)

And KNOWING is HALF the battle....GO JOE!

That silliness aside...it happens. :)

Some see me as a fence sitter or selfish a bit for doing so(especially against their stances)...to them I say eh, shrug, and move on.

Yup yup

I'm half planning to get a new pc at the moment; naturally i'll be cloning my other gaming computers fully functional win7 install over and just changing the key due to apparently still being allowed to register them (and if not there are ways around having the 'this is not a genuine microsoft product popup occuring).
So yes I will not be upgrading to windows version 9 as it actually is (a bit like boats not having a 13th floor; complete hogwash).
In fact I prepared for the day I am 'forced' to switch over, i'm already fluent enough working with linux to get the shit i need done, done; and what isn't working fixed if a solution is no more than a little reference coding to the console.
m!cro$oft can go die in a house fire!

Pointless. Each will just keep saying their part.
So I'll just say mine one more time. If those who want something to happen fight for it, it may well still not happen, but if they don't fight, it definitely won't happen. That difference makes it all worth it.
And those who say it's not worth it and you should look for your own immediate and/or shallow interests because life's too short and so on are what's wrong with the world and why we're in this dump in every way. And it applies equally from those with the reins of power and/or wealth to the average Joe or Jane to someone barely surviving in a slum or under a repressive regime.

I played c64 not 2 days ago; good time, good times. I was playing psi-5 which still has no real equal.

And that's being unrealistic....unless one is rich, powerful, or influential(or lucky) doing so usually amount to very little. People can make themselves feel better if they want, but I don't hold unrealistic expectations(I do hold out some hope for some things, though, but any change won't likely be done by people like me & I am willing to admit that/am ok with that knowledge).

If I may be blunt/honest: if your horse was any higher it'd likely breach orbit.

That silly jab aside: I agree that overall self interest doesn't always help others, though, and shouldn't always be done....still if I had to choose between something that benefits me without harming someone else directly(my buying/using something and not taking a stand directly affecting someone by my single act & not the combined acts of everyone who does so, that is) or standing up for something and just getting a good feeling while not helping anyone then id pick the former....if that makes me a cad/heel/etc in some people's eyes than so be it....I am not trying to win a popularity contest and one cannot please everyone.

The rich and powerful have more chance of affecting change with their decisions, though.

Some things seem to be too petty to bother, especially considering the strenght of the opposition. But it turns out that most problems that people have in common appear to be petty ones. Individual contribution to collective action (as in supporting the gal or the guy who is doing something right) can become incredibly powerful.

Yes, if a good number join in....the problem is most people are either self centered/look out for their own interests by default, OR people's interests and stances don't line up enough to form a large enough group to boycott/protest/etc said thing.

And yeah, some could appeal to people's emotions to bolster their numbers, but I find doing that and playing on people's emotions(by those who do it too much for their own causes) to be somewhat bad as well.