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They might call themselves Property management companies but I like to call them property squatters. They buy older games to squat on them waiting to cash out and sell the rights for tremendous amounts like game collectors that buy or sell WADA graded games. They may also buy the property then raise the price and nickel and dime for additional content that use to be free, like a OST or art. Some of them may raise the price quite a bit which may be why the A100 Mini $150 or $170 because you've got the company over a barrel. I call these companies Property Squatters.
Please cite some you particularly dislike and I will start the list here...Edia of Japan. I cite them particularly first as I recently received the Renovation Collection from Evercade and the name of a company I had NEVER heard of was on it. That companies name was Edia and looking at their stock profile nearly HALF of their revenue comes from IP. Now don't get wrong there are a sizeable number of games on this collection but half of your reevenue coming from IP and that which you never created is very much of an example of being a Property Squatter.
A more egregious Property Squatter is Marvelous whom I have heard owns a number of Victor's back catalog, most notably Keio Flying Squadron and I assume 2 since they own the first. The former title is notably absent from the Genesis and Japanese Mega Drive Mini 2's. I assume this is due to wanting to price gouge Sega on its use or they have Victor's whole back catalog and just want to sell it outright. Either way I'm calling you out Marvelous esp. as a fan.
Post edited November 24, 2022 by Sarang
I'm guessing you mean the A500 mini, as in: The 'Amiga 500 mini' computer rather than the A100 Mini Britax A100 Mini Lightbar ?. Which would then make sense, as I doubt one could play many games on a lightbar... :)
If I understood the topic right, I want to contribute with one principle:
Games and IP's are also assets. Financial assets, I mean. As an investment, they expect a good return in the future in those cases too.

I don't know any company that do this in the bad way though, but I don't mean they don't exist, I just don't track gaming companies to know which do such things. :p

I recall 'Bluepoint Games' maybe being an good example of this in a good way (again, If I understood the topic right, sorry if I didn't). We can pretty much call them a 'Remake' company now, because of how well done they've treated Shadow of The Colossus and Demon Souls remakes and probably they will receive more requests from companies to remake their old games.
I think I read somewhere that someone bought the only known existing copy of an unreleased game for a pretty penny only to then lock it away never to see the light of day again, I can only assume out of sheer spite. Don't underestimate people's desire to go to the grave in an attempt deprive others.
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.Keys: If I understood the topic right, I want to contribute with one principle:
Games and IP's are also assets. Financial assets, I mean. As an investment, they expect a good return in the future in those cases too.

I don't know any company that do this in the bad way though, but I don't mean they don't exist, I just don't track gaming companies to know which do such things. :p

I recall 'Bluepoint Games' maybe being an good example of this in a good way (again, If I understood the topic right, sorry if I didn't). We can pretty much call them a 'Remake' company now, because of how well done they've treated Shadow of The Colossus and Demon Souls remakes and probably they will receive more requests from companies to remake their old games.
There are a few and a number of people here have complained about them. They try to rationalize what now amounts to price gouging on old games in what amounts to a point and click remaster. By this I mean point, click the program is activated, finished...instant remaster of game. Never mind that it makes the game look worse as attested by a number of reviews on here of said remasters.
The remake argument only works generally in remakes of 3D stuff so I won't disagree with you on Bluepoint. This being said I would rather take the old ugly game over an AI upscale....I am NOT referring to Bluepoint here though.
Outside of 3D games when it comes to 2D many times the best that can be done is a remaster to just polish it to a fine sheen. Otherwise a remake, unless it's primitive 2D like many 2600 games and before, usually if NOT outright approaches revisionism. I like "Secret Of Monkey Island" but am NOT as much a fan of the remake as, while it looks clear, looks too exaggerated and comical in my opinion and is not in keeping at all with the original's visuals. It is more in keeping with the first 3D version albeit more exaggerated. Even the sequel to the original, while exaggerated, was not as exaggerated.as the original's remake. Thankfully these reissues included both originals.
Thanks Trooper, I meant the A500 Mini.
Seems to me if they ask too much for a game or sit on it and won't release it to sell it as an investment asset only they ruin their own profit margin by passively encouraging piracy.

But it IS their property.

Somehow I thought this thread was going to be about the real estate industry which is a far greater problem facing the everyday person than a luxury entertainment product.
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Sarang: There are a few and a number of people here have complained about them. They try to rationalize what now amounts to price gouging on old games in what amounts to a point and click remaster. By this I mean point, click the program is activated, finished...instant remaster of game. Never mind that it makes the game look worse as attested by a number of reviews on here of said remasters.
The remake argument only works generally in remakes of 3D stuff so I won't disagree with you on Bluepoint. This being said I would rather take the old ugly game over an AI upscale....I am NOT referring to Bluepoint here though.
Outside of 3D games when it comes to 2D many times the best that can be done is a remaster to just polish it to a fine sheen. Otherwise a remake, unless it's primitive 2D like many 2600 games and before, usually if NOT outright approaches revisionism. I like "Secret Of Monkey Island" but am NOT as much a fan of the remake as, while it looks clear, looks too exaggerated and comical in my opinion and is not in keeping at all with the original's visuals. It is more in keeping with the first 3D version albeit more exaggerated. Even the sequel to the original, while exaggerated, was not as exaggerated.as the original's remake. Thankfully these reissues included both originals.
Thanks Trooper, I meant the A500 Mini.
I completely agree with you. Many games would be better to not receive any updates at all - maybe just a rework for them to be compatible with modern hardware. Not all of them need, nor should, be rebooted because this often, like you said, hurt the original game, authors ideas and fans.

I'd like to clarify what I mean about 'reboot' though.

Maybe we can define those as 'reboots' (reinventing games based on a previous product): FFVII, RE2,3, for example. They're not 1:1 copies of the originals, but reinvent the ideas and concepts of their original counterparts. (I'm not saying this is good - many of those 'reinventations' were bad, in my humble opinion...)

And 'remakes' (updating the original game graphics, ideas and mechanics to recent technology and maybe, expanding it, without changing or removing anything from the original): Shadow of the Colossus (Bluepoint), Demon Souls (Bluepoint), Kingdoms of Amalur: Re-Reckoning (THQ), for example.
Keys a spectacularly BAD one imo is the "Pixel Remasters" for Final Fantasy. In that case I bought "Final Fantasy 3" and ONLY because it never even got a 16 bit remake since the Wonderswan Color version was canceled. As for the rest they say it's truerer to the artist's original intent of what they wanted it to look like on the platform. They say that's the case but let us also consider what sold.
Also if what they say is true they're telling me the looks of the "Pixel Remaster" for FF4-6 were intended to look that way? I totally think those character sprites were possible with those 3 games on the SNES/SFC so I call bull on this. If they wanted it then 4-6 would all have character sprites for the SFC that looked that way.

The RE's are just a RE4 makeover overall, no more scary, all action.

As for the other poster, yeah it's THEIR property but they never created it or legit did anything to do it except generally to make it worse or be like a parasite to a good series of games, to make a third game everyone generally hates.
Post edited November 25, 2022 by Sarang
I tried to figure out myself what a "property squatter" is, and the closest I could think of is someone who shits on someone's property, like on their car, couch or wife.

God knows why anyone would do that, but sometimes people are weird. Very weird.
System Shock comes to mind. Years ago, there was a guy that liked the games so much, he made a forum to host all the stuff regarding the games. Nobody cared from a company perspective. Then came along a company that picked up the license and "claimed" all the content the fans put out....which is ironic. But the series has a odd bit of turmoil and the fans actually made playing the game easier than the company did at the time. The company "borrowed" fan fix content and mods and told the fans to piss off.

I'd say it makes for an interesting rabbit hole, if you can find much of the story.
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timppu: I tried to figure out myself what a "property squatter" is, and the closest I could think of is someone who shits on someone's property, like on their car, couch or wife.

God knows why anyone would do that, but sometimes people are weird. Very weird.
Perhaps "product hobo" or "property miser" would be more apt, but to explain:

Someone who legally or otherwise says on the homestead of another is typically known as "squatting" for reasons which mainly relate to, "English is a bastard language made of 3 smaller languages in a colonialist trenchcoat".

Er, perhaps kulkuri would be getting close to what you'd think of, except instead of being a homeless nomad, they're an illegal resident.
The issue of property squatters is a complex and contentious one, and the article found at https://www.nyrentownsell.com/blog/squatters-rights-new-york/ sheds light on the specific situation in New York. Squatters, individuals who occupy vacant properties without legal rights, raise legal and ethical questions that require careful consideration.

The article explores the intricacies of squatters' rights in New York, highlighting the challenges faced by property owners and the legal protections available to both parties. It underscores the importance of understanding the local laws and regulations surrounding this issue, as they can significantly impact the outcomes of such cases.

Addressing the concerns posed by property squatters requires a delicate balance between safeguarding property rights and ensuring adequate support for those in vulnerable situations. Striking this balance necessitates a comprehensive approach that combines legal measures, social services, and community engagement to protect the rights of property owners while addressing the underlying issues that lead to squatting.

By examining the complexities of property squatting, the article offers valuable insights into an issue that continues to pose challenges in urban areas like New York.
Post edited June 10, 2023 by Violette877
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Sarang: I like to call them property squatters.
They buy older games to squat on them waiting to cash out and sell the rights for tremendous amounts
They may also buy the property then raise the price and nickel and dime for additional content that use to be free
I know this thread got necro'd by bots, but since that means it's resurrected anyway (and we have the feast of corpus christi today):
The keyword in your post is "(they) buy".
These people/companies invest money to buy (and therefore: own) these rights.
After they do that, they're free to do whatever they deem fit to do with those rights.

YOU'd rather have a different person/company to own these rights?
Well, nobody is keeping YOU (or YOUR company) from investing YOUR money to buy them.

And after YOU do that, YOU can offer all these games, etc. that YOU bought the rights to, for free to anyone interested, if YOU feel so generous.
Or - alternatively, YOU can set up ridiculous high (or low!) prices...that's for YOU to decide.

But, no matter, whatever YOU decide to do - YOUR right to do whatever YOU want, starts with YOU buying the rights...
Definitely.

And the reason THEY have so much money is that YOU give them money when YOU buy THEIR overpriced garbage.

Don't buy crap from the big publishers just because THEY have a slick marketing campaign. Wait for reviews, be discriminating, and don't accept inflated prices for average games. Otherwise THEY will take YOU for a ride then use YOUR money to buy struggling outfits that didn't try to take advantage of YOU.

I'm looking at YOU Ubisoft who bought the IP for HOMM3.

RIP New World Computing.
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Sarang: I like to call them property squatters.
They buy older games to squat on them waiting to cash out and sell the rights for tremendous amounts
They may also buy the property then raise the price and nickel and dime for additional content that use to be free
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BreOl72: I know this thread got necro'd by bots, but since that means it's resurrected anyway (and we have the feast of corpus christi today):
The keyword in your post is "(they) buy".
These people/companies invest money to buy (and therefore: own) these rights.
After they do that, they're free to do whatever they deem fit to do with those rights.

YOU'd rather have a different person/company to own these rights?
Well, nobody is keeping YOU (or YOUR company) from investing YOUR money to buy them.

And after YOU do that, YOU can offer all these games, etc. that YOU bought the rights to, for free to anyone interested, if YOU feel so generous.
Or - alternatively, YOU can set up ridiculous high (or low!) prices...that's for YOU to decide.

But, no matter, whatever YOU decide to do - YOUR right to do whatever YOU want, starts with YOU buying the rights...
They can do this and I'm still going to call out their bs, which I have the right to do.