Posted July 25, 2018
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my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
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Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted July 25, 2018
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And you are sheeping like a bleep bloop this game Day.
All of them did, Yog! ALL OF THEM DID IT! WHY DID THEY DO IT?!
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Unvote JoeSapphire
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JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
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my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted July 25, 2018
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The intro says two in the front and six in the back.
How can I read the flavour in any other way?
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Assume scum!Book and scum!Trent. In the context of everything, who do you see as our 3rd?
I'm conflicted because I still don't town-read you and you're really pushing for Joe's lynch. BUT I don't exactly have Joe as super-town at this point. I would consider lynching Joe at this point.
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Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted July 25, 2018
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You've claimed the only kill, you're trying to use flavor as evidence, and you've already changed your story a few times now.
I'm riding this wagon to the EOD.
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my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted July 25, 2018
Ok. I do feel like Joe has become a necessary point in the PoE by this point.
Vote JoeSapphire
Vote JoeSapphire
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JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted July 25, 2018
but you can see how I was building this since the beginning of the day! I was deliberately blunt about asking SirP who he blocked, I was overly pushy with bler about his speculation of the night target, I made it clear I was suspicious of Trent without explicitly saying why: I was building up to the claim long before I'd been voted for!
And THEN I bothered to go and check and realised how stupid I'd been.
Have you ever played a game of mafia before where flavour provides clues?
On a scale of 1-10 for you, what's the possibility I'm telling the truth?
And THEN I bothered to go and check and realised how stupid I'd been.
Have you ever played a game of mafia before where flavour provides clues?
On a scale of 1-10 for you, what's the possibility I'm telling the truth?
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my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
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JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted July 25, 2018
Spot the difference:
JoeSapphire: Morning all!
The first thing we should do before anything is find out who SirP targeted last night. No further information in terms of what the results were and verification from the target, but while his alignment is still in question we should get his claim before he has a chance to pick up any clues.
Second I've completely flipped my thoughts on ZFR. In the sobering time since the deadline I've come to believe his claim. I apologise for everything!
Also congratulations to vitek for getting himself nightkilled night 1. A very good tactic if you're playing a miller, I hope he's proud of himself.
In summary:
SirP should tell us who he targetted, but not what the results are.
No-one should say anything else on the subject for the moment, and we can review it later. You don't see it? The second is so brief and direct as to deliberately give itself extra significance.
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The first thing we should do before anything is find out who SirP targeted last night. No further information in terms of what the results were and verification from the target, but while his alignment is still in question we should get his claim before he has a chance to pick up any clues.
Second I've completely flipped my thoughts on ZFR. In the sobering time since the deadline I've come to believe his claim. I apologise for everything!
Also congratulations to vitek for getting himself nightkilled night 1. A very good tactic if you're playing a miller, I hope he's proud of himself.
In summary:
SirP should tell us who he targetted, but not what the results are.
No-one should say anything else on the subject for the moment, and we can review it later.
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my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted July 25, 2018
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The first thing we should do before anything is find out who SirP targeted last night. No further information in terms of what the results were and verification from the target, but while his alignment is still in question we should get his claim before he has a chance to pick up any clues.
Second I've completely flipped my thoughts on ZFR. In the sobering time since the deadline I've come to believe his claim. I apologise for everything!
Also congratulations to vitek for getting himself nightkilled night 1. A very good tactic if you're playing a miller, I hope he's proud of himself.
In summary:
SirP should tell us who he targetted, but not what the results are.
No-one should say anything else on the subject for the moment, and we can review it later.
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It's pretty thin as an "I know something you don't know" softclaim.
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Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted July 25, 2018
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I went back to think a bit. Someone, in fact several someones, expressed surprise at flubb being chosen as the NK target. Perhaps he was chosen because he was somewhat scummy so that it could be spun as a Vig kill if the need arises? Are you perhaps trying too hard to interpret the flavour of the NK in your favour?
Let's have a look at the fact that we had only one NK. That can mean several things:
Either what you say is true and a town Vig and scum chose the same target. Where the Vig had 9 targets to chose from and scum probably 7. That doesn't seem very likely.
Or town Vig shoots flubb and the scum NK is blocked. That would mean if Joe is town, trent has to be scum.
Or town Vig shoots flubb and scum graciously decide not to kill anyone. ... That's even more unlikely than case 1.
So, if I pick the most likely second case I have to decide who out of Joe and trent is scummier. ... And there the answer becomes easy: Joe. Or both, which is also possible. But overall trent seems like the townier of the two.
In conclusion, after re-thinking everything I think it is best to put my vote back where it was:
vote JoeSapphire
it's OK, Books. You can stop crying now!
Or if the majority thinks that Joe should be left alive in spite of killing flubb, let's at least:
brig JoeSapphire
I just don't want an admitted killer running around free. If he was a one-shot Vig, he is basically vanilla now. But if he is scum who did the NK, we might at least take him out of the night-chat pool from scum and hunt for the rest of his team.
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Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
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Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted July 25, 2018
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What I don't agree with, however, is you revealing that you have a PR. That was unnecessary. I am currently inclined to believe that you are town, because as scum you would have even less reason to draw attention to you out of the blue. But if you're town, you have made yourself a target without need to do so and you have narrowed the field for the cop hunt for scum. ... Ah well, what's done is done. If we do have a Doctor after all, at least he knows whom to protect. Which of course triggers another round of WIFOM.
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yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
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trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States