I'm... really having problems logically processing this sentence. How about you read what you wrote and try again.

EDIT: Never mind. I realized it makes sense if we take TM != MT. You're actually looking at four logical options: MM, TM, MT, TT, not just three.

Yes, that's how I was looking at it. I was just mentioning the three that you seemed to be discounting, I saw no point in specifying the one you had locked onto as it went without saying.

By the way, I've been giving some thought to our recent conflict. It doesnt really matter whether my hypothesis for your vote hopping was idiotic or not. What is noteworthy is the overreaction it provoked, the second such overreaction from you this game. I'm not about to forget those reactions but consider this advice for future games we're both in since it's how I play.

I like throwing ideas out to see what sticks and what reactions I get. Sometimes those ideas are crazy, like say the idea of one of the "brothers" being mafia in #55.

@Ix

Can I have an answer for the question above?

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Now you lost me. Second?

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OK, wagon analysis.

JoeSapphire 6 - flubb (129), Ixam (156), bler (165), agent (178), ZFR (204), P1na (223)

Let's look at #6 there, P1na.

I'm having hard time seeing a scum putting an 11th hour vote on someone who's getting lynched anyway and going to flip town. Why not let him die and keep one's hand clean. He was not even doing it to save a buddy, because second in line was myself with three votes. If anything, he kept the tiny possibility of myself being co-lynched even less possible.

#4 agent. At the time he voted Joe it was early enough and the leading wagon was Joe with mine being second. Would acum!agent vote on Joe to single his wagon out more instead of keeping the possibility of two townies lynched? I find it unlikely, though I'm less sure of this than P1na.

So, with flub leaning town as per my previous post, bler being very strong town especially after scene flipped town (scum!bler would manipulate scene instead of being annoyed to the point of asking for a replacement), muddy leaning town as per yesterday + he seems genuinly analyzing today, by POE my post-game bragging rights trio is: SPF, HSL and Ixam. Possible cristi but gut says she's town.

Willing to vote on any of the four, though the other three more than cristi.

See our little exchange on day one, starting from post 78.

Anyway, what's done there is done. Those two incidents are noted but I doubt there's much to be gained from further discussion of them, for now I'd like to hear more from Ix.

Why did you ask SirPrimalform if he wants to change his vote to flubbucket then?


Thing is that flubbucket didn't come out swinging at ZFR Today for the latter's post #204, i.e. more or less same time frame as his own post #232, but for ZFR's post #258, which is ZFR's first post of D2, and as bler144 said, eyebrow raising. Is flubbucket's vote still (as) fishy in this context?


You may not be saying so, but it seems to me that your view on him has changed, when until the very end of D1, he was your preferred lynch as scum. Is this solely the result of this flubbucket/ZFR comparison?


Why agentcarr16 over flubbucket?



Gee, I try, and try, and try to think of a reason... but I can't think of a single one. Really.


Because reading the OP(s) and rules is for suckers, eh?



A bump would be appreciated.

bump

And the point of you drawing attention to all this is in town's best interest... how exactly?


Why not? Does only town self-pres?


We aren't (re)playing flubbucket's milk game.

But do tell, are you also of the "reading the OP(s) and rules is for suckers" school?


And that was so bad for scum that they devoted their N1 NK because...?


Apparently, you don't consider yourself part of that group; what would you say sets you apart?



This is the second time you make this statement with a rather strong-ish certainty. Have you played with scum!bler144 before? Or at least closely observed?

Catching up now, let me know if you have questions.

Actully, no. But it has been my experience from playing RL Resistance that's what experience players do when facing a new player. I did it myself often. Why would you be annoyed if your newbie town opponent is making bad play for town? It's only helping you win.

Yes, I realize different people play this game differently, plus real life issue which might cause bler to react differently, but to be honest I just don't see scum!bler reacting to scene the way he did.

Almost there...

Woot! Congrats!

I'm not enitrely sure why, but I really like this post. It feels natural and unforced, that's hard for most scum to fake.

Would it make you feel any better to know I agree with bler on his reply to this? ;)

Seriously, I would be disappointed if bler flipped scum. Bler doesn't use those kind of game tactics as scum. Even without that, I would still be reading him town, bler tries hard to solve and move the game forward as town. That is what I see here. That is hard to replicate over the long term as scum.

It's a good question. I'm not sure it can be answered until after the game. I'd be surprised if scene died for the typical reasons a player is killed N1 (PR hunting, killing someone who seems unlynchable, avoiding PR protection/detection - which is not a factor in this game ) .

Interesting. Was agent throwing suspicion toward you prior to this vote? If so, I see this as more telling than if he wasn't.

I don't think agent was particularly suspicious of me.

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Now here are more of my thoughts. I thought about it some more: in a normal game on D1, mafia want to lynch that townie. Sure a no-lynch is good for them, but so is a townie lynch; especially if there is a chance of hitting a power-role or forcing him/her to claim. This means that latecomers to the wagon, including the hammer, can and often will be mafia.

In this modified version however a no-lynch is not happening. So mafia have their lynch guaranteed - all they have to do is ensure that lynch is not one of them. But they got an even better possibility: lynch two townies instead of one.
Therfore in this setup, there is no reason for mafia to be latecomers to a wagon. In fact, as long as no mafia member is in danger, they want the town wagons to be low: gives less info to town after the flip and makes a bigger chance of of double-lynch. It's not to their advantage to get one town wagon to stand out from other town wagons.

The late comers were agent, myself and P1na. Note that the final daily vote count is misleading: agent's vote was the fifth on Joe, since when he voted I was on Joe too before hopping back and forth. His vote made it 5-3 to Joe vs me.
You can disregard me, I was in possibility of being co-lynched so I had personal self-preservation interest in voting for Joe. But wouldn't you say then that if I'm Town (I know I am) and if Joe is Town (we all now he is) then that would make agent and P1na Town too? There was no reason for them to make Joe's wagon move further away from me thus diminishing the probability that 2 townies get lynched.

The only counter-argument I can see is either scum!P1na or scum!agent making a mistake and voting Joe because why not vote on the townie wagon, without thinking it through.

That comment is mostly in regards to non answers from flub. But you have both answered now.