Shadowstalker16: Games can only be optimized to a certain extent. There will always be some hardware that will not be powerful enough to run a game, especially if the game is a modern 3d game with the latest visual effects. Models and textures for example can only scale down so much and I doubt the devs of any game can make it so that their game will run on something with outdated specifications without compromising the game elsewhere.

What do you think about CDPR releasing unoptimized versions of CP2077? I think if support for weaker hardware goes in that direction, ie making another inferior version of the game entirely from scratch just to run on it, it would be a huge step backwards. It would be like the early console days where PS1 or N64 or PS2 and XBox versions were different and the player had to choose his poison in terms of optimization and the definitive version of the game.

In terms of actually optimizing for recent hardware, I think all devs should do it. But I'd imagine that it would depend on the skill of the people coding it and their publisher's will when it comes what and where they invest their time. If the design philosophy is just to vomit out open unoptimized worlds, I'd imagine quantity would take priority over (optimization) quality.

skeletonbow: Indeed, and many games choose to not support Intel integrated video because of that, which makes sense. Personally I think all games would be better off if they did that, as all of the development resources that went into supporting potato onboard graphics could be spent optimizing and improving the game on the actual discreet gaming cards that everyone uses.

And as counter-intuitive as it might be, I say that as someone owning thousands of games who has outdated 7 year old AMD GPU, and low end (by today's standards) onboard Intel and nvidia GPU laptop. So my opinion would actually hurt me more than help me, but it'd be better for gaming overall and keeping things moving forward and with higher quality.

I'd be getting new hardware if it was actually possible to get it in 2021... Perhaps they'll end up having to support old potato hardware in another year because new hardware only exists in PDF datasheets and not on store shelves. :)

thegreyshadow: I agree with this.
I'm not thinking about "let's optimize our next game so it can run on both potatoes and high-end rigs equally well".
I'm thinking more on the lines of having onboard GPUs as playable targets upon designing their next game engine. Asking otherwise would not be practical, I think.

Orkhepaj: stupid crypto should be outlawed , does it bring anything good for humanity? I dont think so
some luckers got rich , many other got scammed , many criminals enjoy its benefits

dtgreene: What counts as "stupid" crypto versus "smart" crypto?

Also, without crypto your purchases would be unencrypted, which means someone who can intercept your network connection (for example, your ISP) could easily get your credit card info and use it to make fraudulent purchases.

dtgreene: What counts as "stupid" crypto versus "smart" crypto?

Also, without crypto your purchases would be unencrypted, which means someone who can intercept your network connection (for example, your ISP) could easily get your credit card info and use it to make fraudulent purchases.

pds41: Orkhepaj means crypto as in Crypto-Currency (or crypto-highly-speculative-investments as they would be more accurately named), not crypto as in cryptography.

pds41: Orkhepaj means crypto as in Crypto-Currency (or crypto-highly-speculative-investments as they would be more accurately named), not crypto as in cryptography.

dtgreene: Of note, nvidia has decided to deliberately reduce the Etherium mining speed of their consumer GPUs and create a different product, CMPs, for those who want to mine. While I think cryptocurrency is unethical (due to the environmental cost from using all that power), I also think this "solution" that nvidia has is unethical, as it's basically a form of DRM.

Orkhepaj: how is it drm?:O i clearly cant see the connection

dtgreene: It's an artificial limitation on how the user can use the hardware they bought, which I consider to basically be a form of DRM.

(Also, note that this isn't the only arbitrary limitation nvidia has imposed on consumer GPUs; they don't play well with GPU passthrough, for example.)

zwolfy: On a side note, you might want to consider an AMD CPU with integrated graphics next time you upgrade. They blow Intel stuff out of the water, even entry-level mobile chips. As long as you don't mind lack of Linux support!

thegreyshadow: Great advice, but Linux support is a must, and preferably with open source drivers.

dtgreene: Except that AMD integrated graphics works well with Linux open source drivers, unlike nvidia.