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trentonlf: I am rather annoyed that Hijack spout out what he did, it was unnecessary and I hope any more role claiming stops there.
Would you rather had me claim first thing on Day 2 or supposedly before my lynch? Tell me, which scenario would help town the most?
With all due respect, since there is another similar role like me out there, I had to claim. However, keep in mind, I do not have the same exact powers as Yog, and I shall not discuss them today.
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Lifthrasil: Side note: even though docbear sounds quite sincere in her apology and explanation, I would still be OK with lynching her. Scum could easily fake a post like that. But I would prefer to lynch HijacK or drealmer. HijacK just convinced me of his scumminess. A tag-along 'me too' claim. A second miller. First with the implication that he has a killing role too and then he acts as if catching that implication is scummy. I still think one of the two is lying and I think it is HijacK. So LAL.
drealmer looked scummy to start with and his disappearance doesn't do him favours. Scum with nothing left to say? HSL is also still on the table for me. Gamma would only be a fallback solution and I would leave that problem to yogs or the mod. Lynching yogs, however, is off the table for me for today.
This reminds me you dont get two twix who we lynch as long as someone is lynched so anyone that has had a double take on them you would be willing to go for to get this done.
You have seem to have jumped around all game trying hard to get anyone to go along and get something rolling.

I tend to believe Yogs and will not vote him at all. Hijack I am slightly inclined to believe as well but not as solid as yogs.

Lifthrasil
To edit the above post. I am talking under the condition that Yog already claimed. Would waiting for Day 2, or supposedly before my lynch help town at all? Because I do not see how that would be of any use, but murk the waters even more. In a way, I was kind of forced to claim once Yog did. I was surprised there are two of us out there.
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trentonlf: I am rather annoyed that Hijack spout out what he did, it was unnecessary and I hope any more role claiming stops there.
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HijacK: Would you rather had me claim first thing on Day 2 or supposedly before my lynch? Tell me, which scenario would help town the most?
With all due respect, since there is another similar role like me out there, I had to claim. However, keep in mind, I do not have the same exact powers as Yog, and I shall not discuss them today.
I detest role claiming, especially Day 1. It tends to break games or open up the discussion about roles, makes it kind of pointless to play if that's what happens. That's why when I did to yog's since I had him as a pretty solid town read I was going to trust him on his claiming. You tagging along is what I didn't want to see happen.
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trentonlf: I detest role claiming, especially Day 1. It tends to break games or open up the discussion about roles, makes it kind of pointless to play if that's what happens. That's why when I did to yog's since I had him as a pretty solid town read I was going to trust him on his claiming. You tagging along is what I didn't want to see happen.
You're avoiding my question. Since me and Yog are in the same boat, namely the flips are mafia when we are in fact town, how would waiting for a later time to claim help town or make any sense for a town player? You can say you detest role claiming and that you didn't want to see me tagging along, but put yourself in my shoes. What would you have done having this role if another player with a similar role claims before you, on Day 1 nonetheless, and takes away any future credence you might have from claiming if you don't do it right away?
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trentonlf: I detest role claiming, especially Day 1. It tends to break games or open up the discussion about roles, makes it kind of pointless to play if that's what happens. That's why when I did to yog's since I had him as a pretty solid town read I was going to trust him on his claiming. You tagging along is what I didn't want to see happen.
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HijacK: You're avoiding my question. Since me and Yog are in the same boat, namely the flips are mafia when we are in fact town, how would waiting for a later time to claim help town or make any sense for a town player? You can say you detest role claiming and that you didn't want to see me tagging along, but put yourself in my shoes. What would you have done having this role if another player with a similar role claims before you, on Day 1 nonetheless, and takes away any future credence you might have from claiming if you don't do it right away?
I'm not avoiding your question. As I said I tend to believe yog's, you're not in the same category as him. So I don't like your claim.
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cristigale: @HijacK - who is drawing your attention?
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HijacK: My main suspect at the moment is Lift because I didn't really like how he handled his arguments with drealmer. They were very forced and unnatural. The points he made were weak. However, he backed down after HSL's more thorough explanation of why drealmer's sentence wasn't a flip, but I am not sure if that's a positive or a negative thing since he jumped around a bunch of times on different people.
If Lift is your main suspect is there a reason you did not vote him?

@cristi @hyper @docbear- What do you make of hijacks claim?

**long day ended up with a small kitten will post a pic in the mafia admin thread and would like suggestions on names that have influence from our game**
So Hijack's claim is Really bothersome to me.

I am an old retired hitman, which flavor-wise makes perfect sense with both my role's ability to shoot... But likelihood to miss.

Hijack is "muscle" and like lift the first thing that pops to mind is "strongman" which could pretty much only be mafia-aligned. Taken with his total change in tone to start the game, it is all kinds of weird.

I also just don't know how to feel about a 2 nod claim like mine... TWO death millers? Really? I can only imagine how that sounds to a Townie with a normal role, although a couple of you have hinted your roles are nearly equally bizarre.

I don't know though... Sorry Trent, I know this cheeses you all the wrong way, but I think we better have the whole story from mr... Uh... What was his claim in smelly dungeon? Bler help me out. Hijack, what kind of power does "muscle" have that doesn't involve killing?
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trentonlf: I'm not avoiding your question. As I said I tend to believe yog's, you're not in the same category as him. So I don't like your claim.
I'm not asking you if you believe my claim. I'm asking you what would you have done in my place with yogy's claim on the table. Thus, once again I reiterate. Yogy claimed. His claim came out to be quite similar to your role. Too similar, considering how one of a kind this role is. What do you do?

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Sage103082: If Lift is your main suspect is there a reason you did not vote him?
Trying to avoid OMGUS stuff. I know I want to vote for him. I just don't see a rush since the discussion just started and he went full OMGUS on me.

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yogsloth: snip
What if I told you my flavor indicates I was close to my boss? Very, very close. *hint* *hint*
If it helps, I had the position of Road Captain.
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HijacK: I didn't think Yog's claim would work. I actually decided to claim as well because it is too much of a coincidence to be a fake claim. I believe what he's saying. The similarities are there.
Did you and yogs talk about this before?
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Sage103082: Did you and yogs talk about this before?
As far as I am aware, I had no such conversation with Yogy. :) I just saw his claim and thought a lot of people were about to jump to hang him just for the claim, hence why I didn't think it would work. Alas, it's good to see it didn't come to that, but it did force me to claim.
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HijacK: What if I told you my flavor indicates I was close to my boss? Very, very close. *hint* *hint*
Ummmmmm

I don't think that's a role

This is a family show
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dedoporno: Here's the thing. I saw something earlier that made an impression on me and back then I wasn't sure if and how to react to it, but wanted to make sure I hint about it at least in passing so if something unexpected happens from the other side things don't automatically go south. Fortunately, additional actions weren't necessary and the game went into entirely new direction which currently seems just a bit better.

Anyway, unlike myself, Yog exposed a lot of information voluntarily and by himself, and considering what he claimed you have to agree questioning had to be done. If you don't, then I will frown upon you.
1. What? I don't follow that. At risk of speaking for everyone, I'm not sure who caught what you were referring to - we're confused now but it will make sense later?
2. I'm pretty ambivalent on what one gains that's positive by questioning yogs now vs the downside risk, so maybe throw me a half-frown? I just thought the contrast was notable. that said, at this point I think i've moved you into the townside of things, but that was at least partially with the impression I was at least vaguely following the shape of what you were doing.

At this point I'm not sure anything in the game makes a whole lot of sense to me, other than that the people with the two crazy claims are probably at least being mostly truthful.

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flubbucket: The More You Know......................................./psa
I thiiiink I actually included the youtube for that in one of my posts. Memory a bit fuzzy.

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Lifthrasil: Finally a question to all: what do you think? Should we go for one of the two claimed killing roles to reduce the number of night-kills? Especially since at least one of them might be lying? Or do we go for the player that plays scummiest and buy the claims for now, until the slew of power roles hat a shot at them at night?
I didn't read it as him claiming vig.

That said, I also thought it at least possible he was just making his own joke recalling the bulletproof berserker claim. Or maybe RW assigned this persona on purpose as a joke, who knows.

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bler144: So logically, in this scenario you're proposing HSL is scum and I'm town, else yogs wouldn't be disappointed.
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Bookwyrm627: You missed some tricks.
I get the sense I'm missing lots of things. Anything in particular I should be more cognizant of?


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HypersomniacLive: Decided to check in as I have some break time. And see a couple of things I can't say hat I like. Stumbling upon something that pissed me off quite a bit, doesn't help either.

I have to go back to working shortly, so I'll get the thing that pissed me off out of the way, and put my reply-notes to bler144's posts to use.

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bler144: two incidents maaaay not be predictive in any case.
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HypersomniacLive: And besides lazy, you are also being pretty dickish, and ever so subtly manipulative at spinning that whole series of exchanges into something it clearly isn’t (look HijacK, more aggressiveness from me).

I don't feel like I'm getting heat for being asynchronous, and if you followed the exchanges as they developed you can clearly see it.
Woah woah woah. Mea culpa.

I really truly did not mean it that way and am sorry - I 90% thought I was mostly making fun of myself (see the "maaaaay not be predictive" line I thought was making clear I was just chatting/bullshitting), and 10% making a footnote just so that if you do flip scum at some point I can quasi-brag that I knew it all along even though I have no meaningful read on you at all.

Likewise, I was trying to seriously say, albeit in a joking fashion that I thought was self-directed, that I appreciate you repeating key game details b/c for whatever reason I'm missing them when RW posts them.

As for the asynchronous exchanges, I clearly missed the point. But I was at least trying to scatter humor in a number of my posts last night, and wasn't intending it at all the way it clearly came across to you.

Will stop here, take a break and pick up in a separate post later.
Hmmm. I was expecting a certain degree of outrage following a second claim, but it appears to me that some individuals are not properly grasping the intensity of the matter. Given these circumstances, I am entertaining the idea of a full role claim in order to better assist everyone to scum hunting. I thought that by preventing too much information out of the box I am doing us a favor, but scum are either outsmarting us, or are good at pressuring the inadequate subject.

What do you think, good sir and madams? Should I role claim in entirety? I am quite content with doing it at this point. I see people pointing fingers, yet I don't understand why, or think even they understand why. I am of belief that this will help us in the long run. :)
Neutral bulletproof berserker

Lol, thank you bler