There is absolutely no force here. You have options to play these games as you want. You don't want certain options then you can just ignore these options.

"If people want those things in the game, they can pretend it's there!"

It's just as stupid from that side as it is from the "pretend it isn't there" crowd.

There's not an answer that will make everyone happy, but telling people to pretend it isn't there is no more viable than people telling those who want a feature or option to pretend it's there.

What has this to do with pretending something? You don't want to do the romance stuff in RPGs as in the predecessor Baldur's Gate 2 then you simply don't have to chose certain dialog options. You want to play as a male character and not play as something else. The character generator gives you the choice and you can ignore the other options. Where is the problem?

There isn't any problem.

However, when you read certain posts here and in different places then people want to limit choices and content to their personal imagination of what should be in the game or not. This is silly.

Having said this, the questionable content from the Panel from Hell presentation showed one thing. It only triggers when you REALLY want it.

Exactly what I just said.

>sigh< as usual, we end up with people replying not to what is actually being said, but to what they make up in their own heads to vilify people they disagree with, where no conflict need exist. Pity.

I am not trying to vilify you or anyone who disagrees. The problem is the thinking which I described earlier. I disagree with it. You don't want certain things in the game. Fine. There is no problem with this. I disagree with people who want the developers to cut certain things out of the games because they don't like it. That's all.

Baldur's Gate 3 has just won me over

Hey, this evolved into the stupid culture war thread it was always destined to be. Yay.

Wherever you stand is said "war" I think arguing for the removal of optional things you don't like tends to make you the a-hole. That goes for censorship happy moral crusaders on both sides.

There we go. The problem is 'other people who don't think like you do'. Perhaps, from their point-of-view, the way you think is the problem?

There is no problem with disagreeing with me. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I said.

It must be good if the Ol' Red Lizzard doesn't like it!

Supposedly D&D settings had a lot of sexual parts that usually weren't as obvious. One of the forgotten realms books talking of a visitor to some elves, drinking, a big orgy, then waking up and it appeared as though no one had been there a while, suggesting he'd been in a stupor for a few months (or years) after having elven wine.

And a big trope of bards being horny bastards that try to seduce every bar maid and girl they come across. Actually Vox Machnina (good first season) showed in spades what actually may happen with misfit D&D players.

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But let's be honest. I'd prefer they left all that shit out, make it about the story, adventure, good loot, combat. And if you wanted gay bear sex, have it as an extra DLC option to include it much like a lot of the eroge games that have been coming from Kagura and other companies where the base game is fairly clean and playable and the saucy stuff is optional and you need to install separately.

Of course i'd also like to see the most common standard resolution and graphical stuff included in game and ultra textures/models be a separate download too, bring downloads for games back to 20Gb and only those that REAAALY want it to get the larger packs; but there's that.

I think much like everything else coming out, movies, D&D game's companies, beer commercials, has been about pushing the unwanted Agenda that is related to ESG where you won't get loans or funding unless you do so; But it's being rejected nearly completely making the push for 'DIVERSITY' and LGBCrap actually make them lose their paying customer base vs twitter virtue signalers.

Tried watching the D&D honor among thieves. Every male had something wrong with them. A sorcerer who couldn't concentrate and no confidence, an innept skilless bard, a gay autistic paladin, a halfling who is a vegan and a pushover (who's girlfriend was slaughtering animals and was like 8ft tall half giant). But every woman was a barbarian, powerhouse, making the money, having the powerful spells that were of interest. Not to mention the plot was.... boring... dropped it halfway through. And while in D&D you can make powerful women who are powerhouses and lithe gay bards, i think everyone is tired of it being thrown at us and told to just take it and that's the direction of the future. Because it isn't.

What people want is an adventure on par with the good Lord of the rings, friendship, adventure, overcoming evil and while coming back scarred having a satisfying ending, not that men are inferior to women and you can have sex with gay bears. 'Sex' in D&D games of old were literally a few tiny cosmetics; A slightly different model, voice actor selection (usually 5 male 5 female) to issue commands or comments in game usually 'ATTACK!' or 'I'm hurt!' or something; And lastly a portrait you can select. Nothing else.

Like Loot Boxes and other BS, the best way to discourage it is not to give them your money. But will enough people notice and act for that to matter? Well Anheuser-Busch is seeing enough in billions of lost revenue, so who knows.

Must be hard for you to live in a world that has passed you by

Having an opinion about the current state of fantasy game storytelling and its recent preoccupations is too much for you?

Feeling that some of those preoccupations are developing toward something detrimental to the genre... and... actually a part of another genre is too much?

Laughable? Have you not followed modding since its inception? Modding has always been about taking a mainstream product and pushing any or all of the bounds, technical and otherwise. Elder Scrolls games have some "crazy" mods.

Just because you may like something does not mean I have to like it as well. Just because you might enjoy certain additions to a game does not mean I have to like them.

In the end will this game be great? Dunno... we'll have to see. But for me -- as this thread was CLEARLY my opinion -- Larian chose poorly in the content of their final livestream... and their seeming preoccupations are not what I value most in fantasy games of that genre.

But being called a "gatekeeper" or A-hole or police or puritan just because I don't share the opinion that recent additions are needed (or in the best interest of a fantasy narrative) is completely ridiculous. But this is what I've expected since Dragon Age Inquisition and others made sexuality issues "important." But this is par for the course if you don't agree 100% with The Message... you get called names.

You'd have thought I was preaching in this thread that anyone who plays BG3 is sick and twisted and should be burned at the stake! Insanity. *face palm*

And a game that could be played by everyone now is an Unrated (in Australia probably), Mature or X rated in the US and you can't let your kids nephews or others play it now because unless you're there with them they will likely stumble on to all the BS plus at character creation.

Often in games and programs, you do one thing and you do it well. When you spread out you can do a lot of things and none of them good. It seems in recent years the 'Visual Fidelity' takes precedent and gameplay and other things take a back seat, so it may look gorgeous on screen during demos but actual gameplay sucks.

I'd probably point to Rebel Galaxy as an example. It does one thing, space combat VERY WELL. and the game rocks because of it. There's some trading but it's always between posts, there's missions but they are a handful of requirements and a lot of replayed missions of 'get dead drop' or 'kill pirate BloodyOgre' or 'go get me 10 crates of ammunition, we don't care where you get it' or 'take this 10 boxes of food stuffs to post Ori in the Centaur system'. But it doesn't get into anything it isn't particularly good at, nor does it have a crafting, relationship, or sex system.

Now if we go Baulder's gate, they are pushing a bunch of stuff i really don't care about as a primary, and the D&D adventure the series is known for is taking a back seat. That means likely it will be very buggy at launch, may get another No Man's Sky where it needs another 2-3 years cooking because of all this unnecessary stuff. The core good game should be made first and done well. Anything after can be DLC or added on if they have the time. But including bear sex in the core game, sounds like a bad play in my book, and a push for someone's bestiality kinks to me.

okay, so you can do as you please .... as opposed to Starfield, a game never to be released on gog .....